New MacBook Pros
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Having quad core processors available on the 13" MBP has now opened up the option of me getting one to replace my iMac and MacBook. This 2018 refresh is probably what should have been released first with these models.
I now just need to decide if I'm better off with a new iMac and my 2015 Macbook or a new 13" MBP for everything - cost are looking about the same once I factor in an external monitor.
I now just need to decide if I'm better off with a new iMac and my 2015 Macbook or a new 13" MBP for everything - cost are looking about the same once I factor in an external monitor.
thebraketester said:
Bacardi said:
Thorburn said:
The screen on the Air is a disgrace at £500, let alone £1000+
As I said, would prefer a retina, but it's OK, nothing worse than it replaced, but brighter. A £500 repair bill for a keyboard on a £2k-5k machine because it got a bit of dust behind it, now that is a disgrace.ashleyman said:
thebraketester said:
ecs said:
Been waiting for these for such a long time - my mid-2014 is really showing it's age now.
What have you been waiting for that wasn't in the 2017 MBP TB?Spec of the 2012 machine was i7 2.3, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD and the 1.5GB graphics memory.
Spec of the TB was i7 2.7, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD with the AMD 455 chip.
The difference between the 2 when using it for live work within Adobe Creative Suite was negligible. I think the 2017 machine was 0.2 seconds faster to ingest, process and display a Canon 5D4 RAW file when using Capture One. The difference when exporting files and doing processing tasks wasn't that great but I rarely use a laptop to do those tasks. Apart from perception it wasn't a necessary upgrade. I think I've had mine out of its bag 6x in the 14 months I've owned it.
I can imagine these new ones would probably widen this gap a fair bit and make it a worthy update.
Looks like the new i9's are throttling below base clock speed due to heat issues:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx8J125s4cg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx8J125s4cg
Thorburn said:
GoodDoc said:
Intel released medium TDP versions of it's latest Coffee Lake processors which are now found in the new touch bar MacBooks, but they haven't yet released low TDP versions, so the non-touch bar MacBooks stick with the older low TDP Kaby Lake processors.
Yes they have. I've had an i5-8250U based laptop (quad-core, 15W TDP) since November 2017.Intel® Core™ i5-8250U Processor
I'm happy to be corrected, but many of the 8th gen 15W CPUs are Kaby Lake Refresh rather than Coffee Lake.
andysgriff said:
Yep more here, people returning them - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-fans-returnin...acd80 said:
thebraketester said:
It’s a shame the education urls don’t work anymore, I saved a fortune on previous MacBooks.
They do work but unfortunately, you have to know someone who has a Unidays account. Interesting times for Apple users, question is do you believe them when they say it's merely a software problem
"Following extensive performance testing under numerous workloads, we’ve identified that there is a missing digital key in the firmware that impacts the thermal management system and could drive clock speeds down"
Which makes you wonder why they didn't perform extensive performance testing under numerous workloads before launching the product.
Or do you go with the usual haters opinion which is the hardware isn't fit for purpose (the VRMs being underspecified has been mentioned by a few sources) and that the chassis is a poor design which will never be able to dissipate the heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjor24HO2HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKm6opbKgB8
Given that they've kept the crappy keyboard and just put a membrane on it to lessen the failure rate I'd avoid them, well at least the i9. Are other manufacturers experiencing similar problems with heat dissipation with the mobile i9s? It wouldn't surprise me but I guess Dell having a problem wouldn't be big news like Apple who have people lined up to bash them.
"Following extensive performance testing under numerous workloads, we’ve identified that there is a missing digital key in the firmware that impacts the thermal management system and could drive clock speeds down"
Which makes you wonder why they didn't perform extensive performance testing under numerous workloads before launching the product.
Or do you go with the usual haters opinion which is the hardware isn't fit for purpose (the VRMs being underspecified has been mentioned by a few sources) and that the chassis is a poor design which will never be able to dissipate the heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjor24HO2HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKm6opbKgB8
Given that they've kept the crappy keyboard and just put a membrane on it to lessen the failure rate I'd avoid them, well at least the i9. Are other manufacturers experiencing similar problems with heat dissipation with the mobile i9s? It wouldn't surprise me but I guess Dell having a problem wouldn't be big news like Apple who have people lined up to bash them.
It does make you wonder about the testing they do in house before the product goes to market if people have managed to find these issues within a day of them being shipped. The old MacBook Pros were definitely 'pro' machines; they were rugged and had good performance, these new ones are just dressed up consumer devices. Really annoying when you depend on using a Mac for your work.
Motorrad said:
Given that they've kept the crappy keyboard and just put a membrane on it to lessen the failure rate I'd avoid them, well at least the i9. Are other manufacturers experiencing similar problems with heat dissipation with the mobile i9s? It wouldn't surprise me but I guess Dell having a problem wouldn't be big news like Apple who have people lined up to bash them.
There are different expectations because Apple is a premium product. A Dell XPS 15 with i9, 32GB ram and 1TB SSD is £2600. The equivalent i9 MacoBok Pro is £3689. Apart from OSX what am I getting for my extra £1000?plasticpig said:
There are different expectations because Apple is a premium product. A Dell XPS 15 with i9, 32GB ram and 1TB SSD is £2600. The equivalent i9 MacoBok Pro is £3689. Apart from OSX what am I getting for my extra £1000?
Apple's exceptional design, engineering and customer care? 
Motorrad said:
plasticpig said:
There are different expectations because Apple is a premium product. A Dell XPS 15 with i9, 32GB ram and 1TB SSD is £2600. The equivalent i9 MacoBok Pro is £3689. Apart from OSX what am I getting for my extra £1000?
Apple's exceptional design, engineering and customer care? Gassing Station | Computers, Gadgets & Stuff | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff