Nvidia RTX graphics cards

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Monty Python said:

Isn't Hz "per second", so 144Hz is 144 times per second?

Oops. You are completely correct.

Well, even so, I'm not sure that my eyes update even 144 times per second.

[MintyScot]

essayer said:

Will that be miners buying them all up? I don't know what's minable on a GPU with all the different coins now

No chance when this card draws 250W. That power consumption will eat into any profits. AMD cards are the miners choice and as we can now see card availability going up that is a good sign of mining demand or lack of.

Nvidia know what they are doing. High cost low availability elitism.

Partner cards will have a lot more availability.

[Monty Python]

I'm beginning to wonder if the 2080 and 2080Ti are really aimed at gamers anyway. The SciGraph "launch" seems aimed more towards the professional market (i.e. film studios etc) than the domestic user, especially given the price for the Ti in particular.

[Foliage]

scorp said:

bloomen said:

I have a 1080ti on my desktop. I'm not going to bother upgrading until a card can do 4k ultra at high frame rates. I'm not sure how many generations that's going to take but it doesn't sound like this one is going to be it yet.

It's going to be a few generations, 4k@144 is around 9 times the bandwidth of 1080p@60.

Nah,

jackfrags was running 4k@100fps on battlefield 5 (a game that's it beta so not optimised) earlier this week, using i9 and 1080ti SLI hardware..

[Clockwork Cupcake]

anonymous said:

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Not really my area of knowledge. I was just postulating (from a position of ignorance) that if miners are using GPUs for mining then they might want a GPU-derived product that better suits their needs, thus freeing up the supply of GPUs for those of us who actually want one for graphics.

[Foliage]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Monty Python said:

Isn't Hz "per second", so 144Hz is 144 times per second?

Oops. You are completely correct.

Well, even so, I'm not sure that my eyes update even 144 times per second.

I have a 144hz monitor and you can see the difference. also its not just about how its looks its server ticks and having your gpu running at twice the servers tick rate makes the game run and feel better. It can also have a positive effect on your reaction time in my experience.

Going from a 60hz monitor to a 120hz monitor means your screen is refreshing twice as often.

[scorp]

bloomen said:

scorp said:

Definitely. After using 100/120/144hz, 60hz looks prehistoric and jerky. 1080p is fine for action games.

I got a 144hz laptop the other day. Though it is just about possible to tell it's smoother in general operations I truly can't say I care in the slightest.

Your game needs to be running at 144fps also, no good having a 144hz display and feeding it a 60fps locked or sub-144fps game. I also use GSync which helps a lot for smoothness. I would say it depends on the game. I can't really see much difference between 120-200hz though.

Edited by scorp on Saturday 25th August 07:42

[Rawwr]

With regards to frame rates, the optimum range for the human eye is around 70-90fps, depending on how jacked up on stimulants you are. If you can happily pump out 100fps to a Free/G-Sync monitor, you'll be happy.

[Monty Python]

Rawwr said:

With regards to frame rates, the optimum range for the human eye is around 70-90fps, depending on how jacked up on stimulants you are. If you can happily pump out 100fps to a Free/G-Sync monitor, you'll be happy.

Tests have shown that it's actually close to 150fps. Physiologically it can "see" 1000fps, based on the speed of nerve impulses from the eye to the brain. The US Air Force testes pilots by showing them an image of a plane for 1/220 of a second, and they were still able to correctly identify it.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Monty Python said:

Tests have shown that it's actually close to 150fps. Physiologically it can "see" 1000fps, based on the speed of nerve impulses from the eye to the brain. The US Air Force testes pilots by showing them an image of a plane for 1/220 of a second, and they were still able to correctly identify it.

That's not really relevant though, surely? There is a difference between image capture time (the minimum time needed to see an image, as per your example) and the ability to discern individual images. I would suggest that past a certain point, the fps / refresh rate becomes irrelevant due to Persistence of Vision.

[Rawwr]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Monty Python said:

Tests have shown that it's actually close to 150fps. Physiologically it can "see" 1000fps, based on the speed of nerve impulses from the eye to the brain. The US Air Force testes pilots by showing them an image of a plane for 1/220 of a second, and they were still able to correctly identify it.

That's not really relevant though, surely? There is a difference between image capture time (the minimum time needed to see an image, as per your example) and the ability to discern individual images. I would suggest that past a certain point, the fps / refresh rate becomes irrelevant due to Persistence of Vision.

Yes, that.

Then again, I tend to think that 4K is essentially worthless, especially for gaming.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Rawwr said:

Then again, I tend to think that 4K is essentially worthless, especially for gaming.

Depends on the type of games you play. For action games, I agree. But for "walking around, exploring, marvelling at how lovely everything looks" type games, the more detail and resolution, the better.

[Some Guy]

anonymous said:

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Yes, spotted that last week and treated myself to one of these.
https://www.ebuyer.com/749710-msi-gtx-1080-gaming-...

OK, a tad over £450, but almost 35% off isn't to be sniffed at. Got to say, its an epic improvement over my old R9 Fury X and absolutely loads quieter.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

eBuyer also appear to have a big discount on the MSI GTX 1080 Ti GAMING X, only it is now sold out.

[Dromedary66]

This is partly due to Nvidia forcing suppliers to take a load of excess 10 series cards if they want to receive any 20 series.

[Zod]

I’m still happy with my 1080 running a 3440x1440 monitor @ 60 Hz. If I move to a 4K monitor with high refresh rate, i’ll Look at a 2080 if it gives a big enough boost.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

I see that eBay has loads of used 1080 and 1080Ti cards up for sale. Guess people are upgrading to new shiny.

[HRL]

Anyone bit the bullet then?

I keep toying with the idea of picking up a Ti FE when they're back in stock at Nvidia but then I keep talking myself out of it.

They are TOO expensive but I've been waiting ages for a true 4K/60 gaming card. Dammit.

[red_slr]

Jays 2 Cents says +30 FPS for +70% price.

I think I will try and pick up an ebay special on a 1080ti..

[Clockwork Cupcake]

red_slr said:

I think I will try and pick up an ebay special on a 1080ti..

Used examples of the GTX 1080Ti seem to be going for around £550 on eBay right now. I'm not sure if prices are going to rise or fall, so I haven't yet bit the bullet.