Google hardware event 2019
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Seems to be narrowing, broadly the intent of the move away from Nexus to Pixel. There's Xiaomi, LG, Oppo. Doubt many look to Sony or HTC these days. I haven't heard of a successor for the Pocophone. Wileyfox died. Essential might have a leftfield option coming but I'd be a bit nervous taking a product from them. Hopefully I've missed a couple.
wombleh said:
It's not risk free but argusbly lower risk than running old versions. If you're using a phone that's not had Android 10 after 2019-09-01 then there's a fair list of vulnerabilities:
https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/andro...
You have misunderstood that pagehttps://source.android.com/security/bulletin/andro...
Google are providing security updates going back to android 7, any vulnerability discovered affecting any supported version is patched and disclosed.
That page exists because there were vulnerabilities in android 10 that were discovered and patched before release. Anything just affecting android 10 would not go into the monthly builtins because it was unreleased, but they wanted to give credit and show transparency.
The only people who could have been affected by these would have been those running beta versions of android 10.
Every year I decide it's the year to move over to a Pixel
Every year the pricing just makes it impossible
I'm used to huge screen phones, so would have to stick with the Pixel XL - I also store a lot of media locally so I need 128gb.
That puts the price of entry at £929
Last year I ended up buying a OnePlus 6T for £499, if I was buying another phone this year I'd get the 7T for £549. Admittedly the OnePlus phones are not as good value as they used to be but still way better value than the Pixel's
I don't understand how a phone costing £829 can only have 6GB of RAM and 64GB of storage
Every year the pricing just makes it impossible
I'm used to huge screen phones, so would have to stick with the Pixel XL - I also store a lot of media locally so I need 128gb.
That puts the price of entry at £929
Last year I ended up buying a OnePlus 6T for £499, if I was buying another phone this year I'd get the 7T for £549. Admittedly the OnePlus phones are not as good value as they used to be but still way better value than the Pixel's
I don't understand how a phone costing £829 can only have 6GB of RAM and 64GB of storage
flight147z said:
Every year I decide it's the year to move over to a Pixel
Every year the pricing just makes it impossible
I'm used to huge screen phones, so would have to stick with the Pixel XL - I also store a lot of media locally so I need 128gb.
That puts the price of entry at £929
Last year I ended up buying a OnePlus 6T for £499, if I was buying another phone this year I'd get the 7T for £549. Admittedly the OnePlus phones are not as good value as they used to be but still way better value than the Pixel's
I don't understand how a phone costing £829 can only have 6GB of RAM and 64GB of storage
What about a 3XL as they'll be cheap as now. Can you live with the notch though?Every year the pricing just makes it impossible
I'm used to huge screen phones, so would have to stick with the Pixel XL - I also store a lot of media locally so I need 128gb.
That puts the price of entry at £929
Last year I ended up buying a OnePlus 6T for £499, if I was buying another phone this year I'd get the 7T for £549. Admittedly the OnePlus phones are not as good value as they used to be but still way better value than the Pixel's
I don't understand how a phone costing £829 can only have 6GB of RAM and 64GB of storage
768 said:
I wanted another Nexus when the Pixel came out - from something like £449 for the 6P to £719 for the XL was where they lost me, I bought a 3t too. The gap from t to XL has closed by about £40 since then, probably worth it for not sending that data to AWS. 
It's a shame OnePlus f
ked up so badly. The 3T was a very good phone but as a Chinese phone-maker they were already on a short leash. That they then got caught doing something suspect meant that trust evaporated. The way they handled it was terrible and I swore I'd never buy another one because of it.Edited by Funk on Sunday 20th October 18:35
Funk said:
What about a 3XL as they'll be cheap as now. Can you live with the notch though?
I can't see how a 3XL is better than even my 6T (barring the camera)I could not live with a notch like that (my other (work) phone is an iPhone XR) and the notch on that is appalling
Plus, 4GB of RAM gives no assurance over future performance
flight147z said:
I don't understand how a phone costing £829 can only have 6GB of RAM and 64GB of storage
You wouldn't like iPhonesiPhone 11 pro max, probably the most expensive phone ever that doesn't include gem stones still only has 64g storage and 4g of ram.
Apple stopped chasing numbers long ago, Google are trying to do the same.
The technical benefits of adding more ram to smartphones is low, but adds weight, takes space and consumes energy.
64gig of storage is plenty for most people most of the time, and the benefit of having cloud storage is you don't have to provision for just in case you'll need it in the future.
Of course it really doesn't help Google that Samsung is the market leader in not just android phones but also memory and nvme storage.
ging84 said:
flight147z said:
I don't understand how a phone costing £829 can only have 6GB of RAM and 64GB of storage
You wouldn't like iPhonesiPhone 11 pro max, probably the most expensive phone ever that doesn't include gem stones still only has 64g storage and 4g of ram.
Apple stopped chasing numbers long ago, Google are trying to do the same.
The technical benefits of adding more ram to smartphones is low, but adds weight, takes space and consumes energy.
64gig of storage is plenty for most people most of the time, and the benefit of having cloud storage is you don't have to provision for just in case you'll need it in the future.
Of course it really doesn't help Google that Samsung is the market leader in not just android phones but also memory and nvme storage.
Funk said:
ging84 said:
flight147z said:
I don't understand how a phone costing £829 can only have 6GB of RAM and 64GB of storage
You wouldn't like iPhonesiPhone 11 pro max, probably the most expensive phone ever that doesn't include gem stones still only has 64g storage and 4g of ram.
Apple stopped chasing numbers long ago, Google are trying to do the same.
The technical benefits of adding more ram to smartphones is low, but adds weight, takes space and consumes energy.
64gig of storage is plenty for most people most of the time, and the benefit of having cloud storage is you don't have to provision for just in case you'll need it in the future.
Of course it really doesn't help Google that Samsung is the market leader in not just android phones but also memory and nvme storage.
A bigger battery also adds cost, weight and heat(?) but people are always asking for bigger batteries
When RAM and ROM are so cheap, on a top end phone I think it's very "tight" of a manufacturer not to be generous, especially when they recognise some people might need more storage by offering two tiers - I can't see why Google couldn't make the base model 128gb and just sell a single version. It's not like the 64gb version is any kind of bargain
anonymous said:
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OnePlus??Easily one of the best choices both hardware and software wise. They don't fiddle with Android too much, don't load bloat and now provide timely updates to phones that are older than 2 years! Hardware is usually tip top and if you really want pixel camera works...then load a GCam port. Job jobbed. Can't argue with the prices either.
Re security. Get an iPhone if you want that.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 21st October 05:59
The main selling point of the Pixel phones is the camera. Yes, you can load the GCam app onto other phones like my Galaxy S8, but it doesn't process photos as quickly as the Pixel does. Apparently it's due to an additional chip that the Pixel has.
As an alternative to the expensive Pixels, the Realme X2 Pro looks like a very interesting device. It's from the same company as One plus and seems to tick all the boxes for <£400.
As an alternative to the expensive Pixels, the Realme X2 Pro looks like a very interesting device. It's from the same company as One plus and seems to tick all the boxes for <£400.
ging84 said:
wombleh said:
It's not risk free but argusbly lower risk than running old versions. If you're using a phone that's not had Android 10 after 2019-09-01 then there's a fair list of vulnerabilities:
https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/andro...
You have misunderstood that pagehttps://source.android.com/security/bulletin/andro...
Google are providing security updates going back to android 7, any vulnerability discovered affecting any supported version is patched and disclosed.
OnePlus seem like one of the better ones for keeping up, possibly they don't add so much on top?
Edited by wombleh on Monday 21st October 10:49
Google have confirmed the eyes open face unlock will be activated on the 4XL shortly. Just wasn't finished to their satisfaction for the phone launch event.
But as ever the internet lit up with click bait news stories and people jumped on the bandwagon. Life in 21st century society I guess.
But as ever the internet lit up with click bait news stories and people jumped on the bandwagon. Life in 21st century society I guess.
flight147z said:
Funk said:
ging84 said:
flight147z said:
I don't understand how a phone costing £829 can only have 6GB of RAM and 64GB of storage
You wouldn't like iPhonesiPhone 11 pro max, probably the most expensive phone ever that doesn't include gem stones still only has 64g storage and 4g of ram.
Apple stopped chasing numbers long ago, Google are trying to do the same.
The technical benefits of adding more ram to smartphones is low, but adds weight, takes space and consumes energy.
64gig of storage is plenty for most people most of the time, and the benefit of having cloud storage is you don't have to provision for just in case you'll need it in the future.
Of course it really doesn't help Google that Samsung is the market leader in not just android phones but also memory and nvme storage.
A bigger battery also adds cost, weight and heat(?) but people are always asking for bigger batteries
When RAM and ROM are so cheap, on a top end phone I think it's very "tight" of a manufacturer not to be generous, especially when they recognise some people might need more storage by offering two tiers - I can't see why Google couldn't make the base model 128gb and just sell a single version. It's not like the 64gb version is any kind of bargain
There is also the desire to make the phones as slim as possible for marketing purposes and cut out cost (to the manufacturer, not the consumer!) which is why so many phones seem to be memory constrained. Like others I'd happily have a little more bulk and get more memory and a bigger battery but that just isn't in the manufactures business model. 20% of Apple's revenue comes from services and the margins are double that of their hardware products.
And before someone says "get a OnePlus", I'm not interested due to the aforementioned security concerns.
Corso Marche said:
Google have confirmed the eyes open face unlock will be activated on the 4XL shortly. Just wasn't finished to their satisfaction for the phone launch event.
But as ever the internet lit up with click bait news stories and people jumped on the bandwagon. Life in 21st century society I guess.
It was a valid concern and Google tried to play it down. They'd have done better to have said, "It's not perfect yet so we'd prefer to make sure it works perfectly before rolling it out later."But as ever the internet lit up with click bait news stories and people jumped on the bandwagon. Life in 21st century society I guess.
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