Internet into Garden Office

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djt100

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1,735 posts

185 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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Looking for some advice on the best way to do this.

I've ordered a Log cabin for the garden to use as an office, Assume the best option is a Cable, then a second router in the
cabin then I can use for Wifi in the garden.

but in a bid to save some effort would one of the mesh systems work, Cabin will be about 90ft from the house.


weeboot

1,063 posts

99 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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Unlikely mesh will work.

Best option is go hard wired.
Other options include Ethernet over Powerline, or looking at a point to point link from someone like Unifi.

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

159 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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OP - do a search on this forum for Ubiquiti.

It is what you need. ( in short - directional wifi over distances )

Road2Ruin

5,210 posts

216 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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If you are having power fitted then powerline adapters are the easiest. Plug one in at each end and away you go. They even do Wi-Fi versions.

85Carrera

3,503 posts

237 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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My garage is about 200m from the house and I use this to get a signal down there

https://www.tp-link.com/uk/home-networking/deco/de...

Works very well.

Freakuk

3,143 posts

151 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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Powerline stuff may work, but if like me the office has it's own consumer unit the noise pretty much kills the data TX.

psi310398

9,081 posts

203 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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I fitted Netgear 1GB powerline adapters at our house and out into a switch in our garden office about 50 yards away. We get good wifi up there most of the time except during stormy weather but the powerline never misses a beat.

Probably as cheap and convenient a way to go as there is.

djt100

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1,735 posts

185 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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Thanks for the suggestions going to look into the point to point stuff and if to costly will just run a cable into a second router

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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Road2Ruin said:
If you are having power fitted then powerline adapters are the easiest. Plug one in at each end and away you go. They even do Wi-Fi versions.
Easiest and worst.

Hard-wired by far and away the best, and cheapest, solution and needn't be difficult.

Fancy-pants directional wifi if you're feeling flush.

Boggo mesh wifi if you want it simple - but 90ft is quite a range to cross. You'll also be broadcasting your wireless network to the entire neighbourhood.

psi310398

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203 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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deckster said:
Easiest and worst.

Hard-wired by far and away the best, and cheapest, solution and needn't be difficult.

Fancy-pants directional wifi if you're feeling flush.

Boggo mesh wifi if you want it simple - but 90ft is quite a range to cross. You'll also be broadcasting your wireless network to the entire neighbourhood.
What exactly do you mean by worst? This is a genuine question. I'm not a technical person.

For a non power user like me, the powerline implementation seems more than adequate.

I can surf the web perfectly adequately, and can stream stuff and without major buffering problems. My Sooloos music stores communicate between Italy and the UK through a VPN (which itself will slow things down), and I can download spreadsheets from Google Docs without major delay and send stuff to a NAS or a shared printer without hiccups.

And all this for less than £75 of spend (as I had the switches spare already).

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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psi310398 said:
What exactly do you mean by worst? This is a genuine question. I'm not a technical person.

For a non power user like me, the powerline implementation seems more than adequate.
In terms of speed, largely. It may feel adequate, but if you actually test the speed even the best powerline implementations suck an enormous percentage of your potential bandwidth. In motoring terms, it's a bit like putting a brick under your accelerator and claiming it's OK as it still gets you to the shops. Which is fine if you genuinely don't notice and/or care, but you should be aware that it's going to be throttling your speeds hugely.

There are other considerations - it can be unreliable, or not work at all, depending on how your house is wired up. And it's incredibly noisy on various parts of the RF spectrum which can be a massive problem if your neighbours are amateur radio enthusiasts.

By all means, use it if it works for you. But I stand by my statement that it's the worst solution.

psi310398

9,081 posts

203 months

Friday 24th January 2020
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deckster said:
In terms of speed, largely. It may feel adequate, but if you actually test the speed even the best powerline implementations suck an enormous percentage of your potential bandwidth. In motoring terms, it's a bit like putting a brick under your accelerator and claiming it's OK as it still gets you to the shops. Which is fine if you genuinely don't notice and/or care, but you should be aware that it's going to be throttling your speeds hugely.

There are other considerations - it can be unreliable, or not work at all, depending on how your house is wired up. And it's incredibly noisy on various parts of the RF spectrum which can be a massive problem if your neighbours are amateur radio enthusiasts.

By all means, use it if it works for you. But I stand by my statement that it's the worst solution.
Thanks. It was a genuine question.

I obviously have a well wired house and can now demonstrate that I'm not taxing the system with PornhubHD streaming while I'm supposed to be workingsmile.

Road2Ruin

5,210 posts

216 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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deckster said:
In terms of speed, largely. It may feel adequate, but if you actually test the speed even the best powerline implementations suck an enormous percentage of your potential bandwidth. In motoring terms, it's a bit like putting a brick under your accelerator and claiming it's OK as it still gets you to the shops. Which is fine if you genuinely don't notice and/or care, but you should be aware that it's going to be throttling your speeds hugely.

There are other considerations - it can be unreliable, or not work at all, depending on how your house is wired up. And it's incredibly noisy on various parts of the RF spectrum which can be a massive problem if your neighbours are amateur radio enthusiasts.

By all means, use it if it works for you. But I stand by my statement that it's the worst solution.
It's perfectly adequate for most people, emails, streaming, internet etc , but if large file transfers are required then maybe not. I agree, there are better solutions, and if running power, why not run a cable. However if power already exists then why not try powerline. The rf interference thing has largely been shown as not an issue.

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Road2Ruin said:
deckster said:
In terms of speed, largely. It may feel adequate, but if you actually test the speed even the best powerline implementations suck an enormous percentage of your potential bandwidth. In motoring terms, it's a bit like putting a brick under your accelerator and claiming it's OK as it still gets you to the shops. Which is fine if you genuinely don't notice and/or care, but you should be aware that it's going to be throttling your speeds hugely.

There are other considerations - it can be unreliable, or not work at all, depending on how your house is wired up. And it's incredibly noisy on various parts of the RF spectrum which can be a massive problem if your neighbours are amateur radio enthusiasts.

By all means, use it if it works for you. But I stand by my statement that it's the worst solution.
It's perfectly adequate for most people, emails, streaming, internet etc , but if large file transfers are required then maybe not. I agree, there are better solutions, and if running power, why not run a cable. However if power already exists then why not try powerline. The rf interference thing has largely been shown as not an issue.
Agreed. I never said it wouldn't work, or wouldn't be good enough (for modest requirements). But it's still the worst solution smile


djt100

Original Poster:

1,735 posts

185 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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I think I'll run the cable seems all other options are a compromise one way or another. Thanks for all the replies.

Miserablegit

4,021 posts

109 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Cable is obviously the best option but I’m using BT whole home over 6 discs - benefit of this is that I have Wi-Fi in the garden as well. Last disc is about 120m from the house.
You could try the wholehome option and if it doesn’t pick up a signal you could use it to provide Wi-Fi in the cabin when you run a cable

megaphone

10,722 posts

251 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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djt100 said:
I think I'll run the cable seems all other options are a compromise one way or another. Thanks for all the replies.
Are you running power to the shed? If so how? Outdoor grade CAT5e is available either run surface along a fence etc or if you're digging you really need to put it in a conduit, blue plastic water pipe is a good option.

mikebradford

2,517 posts

145 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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I used powerline adaptors, which worked well for a couple of years.
Not sure if my usage increased or they degraded but I kept having the internet in the office drop out.

I have 4 computers in there all using cloud storage for drawing files so a reasonable usage.

I ended up running a 60m length of cat5e cable through the loft, down the outer wall at the rear and across the garden to the office.
I have very little differance in upload and download speed to my computer directly connected to the router.

Was a ball ache but worth it in the end.

djt100

Original Poster:

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185 months

Saturday 25th January 2020
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Already have power outside as was a pond in the garden so extending that.
The router is in the living room at the moment, but looking to move that to the hallway. So will prob end up running a cable in conduit round the outside of the house to the end of the garden. Like idea of using water pipe as suggested above .

maccas99

1,705 posts

188 months

Sunday 26th January 2020
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Run the cable and put one of these on the other end in your cabin - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubiquiti-Networks-UAP-AC-...

I have a log cabin/home office and it's what I've done and it works perfectly.