5G. What’s the point?
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It’s a bit of a gimmick for most people day to day, faster internet essentially,
Bigger picture is because it’s a combination of fibre and celluar you’ll be able to get it in more places
They are coming up with ways to make it relevant Like cars that can communicate with traffic lights so if you’re driving at a good speed the lights change for you to reduce pollution etc.
Bigger picture is because it’s a combination of fibre and celluar you’ll be able to get it in more places
They are coming up with ways to make it relevant Like cars that can communicate with traffic lights so if you’re driving at a good speed the lights change for you to reduce pollution etc.
More data, faster in more devices. The vision is for a complete mesh network, I. E the IoT that links everything to everything.
The real driver is that will create new ways to generate revenue not from what people do with their connected lives but just simply by them being connected, via generating markets on people's every use of the Internet and how they interact with the IoT. The idea of privacy will necessarily have to be rethought.
The real driver is that will create new ways to generate revenue not from what people do with their connected lives but just simply by them being connected, via generating markets on people's every use of the Internet and how they interact with the IoT. The idea of privacy will necessarily have to be rethought.
FredClogs said:
More data, faster in more devices. The vision is for a complete mesh network, I. E the IoT that links everything to everything.
The real driver is that will create new ways to generate revenue not from what people do with their connected lives but just simply by them being connected, via generating markets on people's every use of the Internet and how they interact with the IoT. The idea of privacy will necessarily have to be rethought.
I’m not sure I believe that. When I worked for Ericsson 10 years or so ago, we were bleating on about the IOT and connected everything with 4G. The real driver is that will create new ways to generate revenue not from what people do with their connected lives but just simply by them being connected, via generating markets on people's every use of the Internet and how they interact with the IoT. The idea of privacy will necessarily have to be rethought.
The point of cars changing traffic lights and fridges ordering more milk was supposed to be a big USP then, with sub 10ms pings etc.
Frankly, it was all b
ks. Why will 5G be any different?
From my phone, I can stream HDTV at 25 / 30mbps. I have a ping of 8 - 10ms. What would I do with more?
schmalex said:
I’m not sure I believe that. When I worked for Ericsson 10 years or so ago, we were bleating on about the IOT and connected everything with 4G.
The point of cars changing traffic lights and fridges ordering more milk was supposed to be a big USP then, with sub 10ms pings etc.
Frankly, it was all bks.
Why will 5G be any different?
From my phone, I can stream HDTV at 25 / 30mbps. I have a ping of 8 - 10ms. What would I do with more?
I doubt it, everything we try to deliver in the UK is just a bit naff, I see Vodafone are really pushing it but their 4G coverage is awful, I think it’s just all London bubble crap, they haven’t even got ADSL broadband everywhere yet’ The point of cars changing traffic lights and fridges ordering more milk was supposed to be a big USP then, with sub 10ms pings etc.
Frankly, it was all b
ks. Why will 5G be any different?
From my phone, I can stream HDTV at 25 / 30mbps. I have a ping of 8 - 10ms. What would I do with more?
schmalex said:
From my phone, I can stream HDTV at 25 / 30mbps. I have a ping of 8 - 10ms. What would I do with more?
You'd inevitably find new and inventive ways to saturate it.Just think back 10, 15, 20 years. Back to a time when broadband beyond 0.5Mbps was still rare at the consumer level. When suffering rubbish realplayer buffering pixelated short clips was the best you could hope for. Now people don't bat an eyelid at streaming HD video and increasingly seeking 4K.
Mobile data experiences went through the dreadful WAP phase before the availability of 3G and 4G acted as an enabler to a generation of on demand services, real time click and collect, uber, deliveroo, realtime gps navigation etc.
Never underestimate the human ability to consume all on offer and demand more
schmalex said:
FredClogs said:
More data, faster in more devices. The vision is for a complete mesh network, I. E the IoT that links everything to everything.
The real driver is that will create new ways to generate revenue not from what people do with their connected lives but just simply by them being connected, via generating markets on people's every use of the Internet and how they interact with the IoT. The idea of privacy will necessarily have to be rethought.
I’m not sure I believe that. When I worked for Ericsson 10 years or so ago, we were bleating on about the IOT and connected everything with 4G. The real driver is that will create new ways to generate revenue not from what people do with their connected lives but just simply by them being connected, via generating markets on people's every use of the Internet and how they interact with the IoT. The idea of privacy will necessarily have to be rethought.
The point of cars changing traffic lights and fridges ordering more milk was supposed to be a big USP then, with sub 10ms pings etc.
Frankly, it was all b
ks. Why will 5G be any different?
From my phone, I can stream HDTV at 25 / 30mbps. I have a ping of 8 - 10ms. What would I do with more?
It may well lead to a political and social backlash as socialism did at the end of the industrial revolution when some upstarts started suggesting that the Labour force should recognise the value of their Labour, but until such a time we're on an inevitable slide into data and analytics being the new gold rush and 5g will massively accelerate that.
It is much faster due to benefits of very low latency, and much more capacity.
It will enable lots of "things" to talk to each other almost instantly. Cars, drones, streetlights, loads of smart city sensors and applications. Apparently a revolution in connectivity will be enabled.
Drawbacks are because of the frequency it is much shorter range, so they will need more antennas everywhere. And I am sure I read that the version we get in the UK to start with wont be the full speed version or at least not what 5G will be able to achieve in the future. Certainly if you buy a handset now it wont be giving you the full beans.
I think I watched an MKBHD video where he had to go to a particular street corner in LA to do a speed test, because it was the only place for miles around that had a decent mast.
https://youtu.be/nmnTAOU44SI
(ETA: he goes driving round in a McLaren to get signal
)
His first 5G explanation is here too: https://youtu.be/_CTUs_2hq6Y
It will enable lots of "things" to talk to each other almost instantly. Cars, drones, streetlights, loads of smart city sensors and applications. Apparently a revolution in connectivity will be enabled.
Drawbacks are because of the frequency it is much shorter range, so they will need more antennas everywhere. And I am sure I read that the version we get in the UK to start with wont be the full speed version or at least not what 5G will be able to achieve in the future. Certainly if you buy a handset now it wont be giving you the full beans.
I think I watched an MKBHD video where he had to go to a particular street corner in LA to do a speed test, because it was the only place for miles around that had a decent mast.
https://youtu.be/nmnTAOU44SI
(ETA: he goes driving round in a McLaren to get signal
)His first 5G explanation is here too: https://youtu.be/_CTUs_2hq6Y
Edited by Glade on Wednesday 19th February 22:33
I can't think of any time I've downloaded a huge file to my phone. Maybe a few hours of Spotify or BBC iPlayer prior to a flight. Even then I know well in advance and can do it from home.
Out and about everything is streamed without issue. I don't think I'd see any noticeable benefit from 5G on my mobile.
My download rate is usually over 200mbps download and 90mbps according to the rootmetrix app.
Out and about everything is streamed without issue. I don't think I'd see any noticeable benefit from 5G on my mobile.
My download rate is usually over 200mbps download and 90mbps according to the rootmetrix app.
I think the real question is "What's the point of 5G in a mobile phone?"
5G has uses for some things but mobile phones isn't one of them. I am regularly being told I need all the company phones 5G and not a single person can tell me why.
We regularly have a number of staff at large events and they struggle to get mobile internet with so many people there. I just tell them to swap the phone to use 3G and suddenly they are working much better because modern phones default to 4G unless otherwise set.
"5G will let many more devices use the network in busy areas" No it won't. The phone providers won't put in enough infrastructure for that because they always put in the least they can get away with, that's just simple economics.
5G has uses for some things but mobile phones isn't one of them. I am regularly being told I need all the company phones 5G and not a single person can tell me why.
We regularly have a number of staff at large events and they struggle to get mobile internet with so many people there. I just tell them to swap the phone to use 3G and suddenly they are working much better because modern phones default to 4G unless otherwise set.
"5G will let many more devices use the network in busy areas" No it won't. The phone providers won't put in enough infrastructure for that because they always put in the least they can get away with, that's just simple economics.
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