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How many 3x cards have now sold?
In launches gone by you’d get stuff in the first month, usually just ‘normal’ a month down the line.
Not forgetting that just 18 months down the line something twice as fast would be available and your hardware was essentially worthless.
At some point supply is going to catch up… with prices and margins where they are.
Just in time for demand to fall off?
I’ll admit I’ve just given up waiting to ‘just buy one’ now.
No way am I turning buying a GPU into a bigger ordeal than buying a house
In launches gone by you’d get stuff in the first month, usually just ‘normal’ a month down the line.
Not forgetting that just 18 months down the line something twice as fast would be available and your hardware was essentially worthless.
At some point supply is going to catch up… with prices and margins where they are.
Just in time for demand to fall off?
I’ll admit I’ve just given up waiting to ‘just buy one’ now.
No way am I turning buying a GPU into a bigger ordeal than buying a house
Mr Whippy said:
How many 3x cards have now sold?
They sold over 9 million in 2020, or rather the last 3 months of 2020 since it was only available from Sept 17th.According to this - https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/nvidia-hits-new-...
So imagine just how many pallets went straight from manufacturers to miners without seeing the light of day.
FourWheelDrift said:
Mr Whippy said:
How many 3x cards have now sold?
They sold over 9 million in 2020, or rather the last 3 months of 2020 since it was only available from Sept 17th.According to this - https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/nvidia-hits-new-...
So imagine just how many pallets went straight from manufacturers to miners without seeing the light of day.
Indeed it’s easy to be out-bid by businesses making millions £££ doing crypto.
Even right now on my 1070 oc with current uk leccy prices in can make £300 a year or so.
Imagine a farm of 3080 in a cheap leccy country!
The prices are going to tank once crypto users lose interest… though not sure I’d want to buy a miner card.
It was hard to not buy a pre-mining 1070 in 2018 when crypto last popped.
One piece of relatively good news I've heard is the 4070 is rumoured to be only 10% more MSRP than the 3070 (so around £516) for a GPU with more than a 10% increase in power. If buying a founders edition. There may be a big sell off again, like when people were throwing 2080 Ti's at Ebay for £500 when the 30xx series launched. I predict the 3080 will be the new 2080 Ti in September, if anyone wants a 3080 for £500, wait until September. But it all depends on the availability of 40xx series cards when launched and their hash rates being of interest or of no interest to miners.
FourWheelDrift said:
One piece of relatively good news I've heard is the 4070 is rumoured to be only 10% more MSRP than the 3070 (so around £516) for a GPU with more than a 10% increase in power. If buying a founders edition. There may be a big sell off again, like when people were throwing 2080 Ti's at Ebay for £500 when the 30xx series launched. I predict the 3080 will be the new 2080 Ti in September, if anyone wants a 3080 for £500, wait until September. But it all depends on the availability of 40xx series cards when launched and their hash rates being of interest or of no interest to miners.
"NVIDIA Says GPU Shortages Are Going To Ease Down in 2H 2022, Right Before Next-Gen GeForce RTX 40 Series Hits Market Shelves"https://wccftech.com/nvidia-gpu-shortages-going-to...
I sold my old GTX 760 for about £80 a year ago… it was a hateful card really… the power usage vs perf was horrible.
It’s like old crappy cars today being worth a fortune ‘because supply/covid/chip shortage’
When all this unwinds there will be lots of people holding absolute rubbish in bang/buck terms.
Computer parts, without fail, for the almost 30 years I’ve been buying/building, lose money either fast, or really fast.
Indeed classically the only stuff to hold value better was decent monitors, cases, etc… not the silicon stuff… but right now that seems to have flipped.
I really would like a 3070FE though… and a new case, and 2x oled 100% Adobe rgb screen, 4k 34” please thank you
It’s like old crappy cars today being worth a fortune ‘because supply/covid/chip shortage’
When all this unwinds there will be lots of people holding absolute rubbish in bang/buck terms.
Computer parts, without fail, for the almost 30 years I’ve been buying/building, lose money either fast, or really fast.
Indeed classically the only stuff to hold value better was decent monitors, cases, etc… not the silicon stuff… but right now that seems to have flipped.
I really would like a 3070FE though… and a new case, and 2x oled 100% Adobe rgb screen, 4k 34” please thank you
Mr Whippy said:
I really would like a 3070FE though… )
Get Telegram (on your phone & desktop) and sign up to the FE Part Alert and click the link straight away, keep yourself logged into Scan as well by going to the site each day.There was a huge drop on January 6th where everything arrived here and in Europe. I clicked on the 3080 FE link and got as far as authorising payment and it kicked me out because I already had a 3070. Hoping new year, new rules, but no.
So I'm now waiting for September.
The 3070 FE runs hot. I had mine in a small Corsair 220T airflow case (3x intake, 1x exhaust) and in heavy use it got up to 81 degrees pushing 82, added two more exhaust fans at the top and it peaked at 78/79. 83 is when it will start to throttle. Moved my system into a Corsair Crystal 680x (with 5x intake, 3x exhaust fans) with the two fans at the bottom for intake for the GPU and it peaks at 75 degrees now with a heavy load. Still higher than non FE 3070 cards but better.
RTX 3090 Ti - from £3,000 upwards - https://www.eteknix.com/brace-yourselves-first-con...
Huge increase for a small increase.
Huge increase for a small increase.
FourWheelDrift said:
The 3070 FE runs hot. I had mine in a small Corsair 220T airflow case (3x intake, 1x exhaust) and in heavy use it got up to 81 degrees pushing 82, added two more exhaust fans at the top and it peaked at 78/79. 83 is when it will start to throttle. Moved my system into a Corsair Crystal 680x (with 5x intake, 3x exhaust fans) with the two fans at the bottom for intake for the GPU and it peaks at 75 degrees now with a heavy load. Still higher than non FE 3070 cards but better.
No heat throttling problems with my 3070FE and I've got it in quite an old mid-tower (2001 vintage so not nearly as roomy and optimised as a modern case) along with a Ryzen 3900x. I'm pretty impressed how well the old-fashioned cooling works (4x 80mm case fans, no mounts on the case to fit any 120mm fans). I haven't tried anything fancy though like overclocking the 3070 memory. Just left everything at default. The CPU is undervolted a bit though ... but as I understand it, the way AMD CPUs work this just lets it go a bit faster whilst hitting the same thermal threshold.
I think the 'silicon lottery' is just as much a thing with the FE cards as any third parties. The only cards assured of getting 'better' silicon would be the top end third party cards which will have the manufacturers hand picking the best chips.
FourWheelDrift said:
The 3070 FE runs hot. I had mine in a small Corsair 220T airflow case (3x intake, 1x exhaust) and in heavy use it got up to 81 degrees pushing 82, added two more exhaust fans at the top and it peaked at 78/79. 83 is when it will start to throttle. Moved my system into a Corsair Crystal 680x (with 5x intake, 3x exhaust fans) with the two fans at the bottom for intake for the GPU and it peaks at 75 degrees now with a heavy load. Still higher than non FE 3070 cards but better.
I've got an RTX3080Ti FE and a 5800X in a 220T case with a Corsair AIO, and whilst the GPU can hit 80ºC when pushing lots of FPS but it doesn't seem to throttle.GPU idles at about 45ºC and the GPU hotspot is about 10ºC higher.
If you look at some of the review sites, you can see the 3070FE was hitting 73ºC under load...and that was on an open testing frame not in a case.
ETA: just ran a quick (10 min) FireStrike Extreme stress test:
- GPU = 79.3ºC
- GPU hotspot = 86.6ºC
- GPU memory = 98.0ºc
In my new case the 3070 is sitting at 29-31 degrees idle with the fans off, they come on at 45 degrees using Fan Control - https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases because Speedfan never detects any fans for me.
Ps. I do overclock mine not all the time though, (they do run hotter than non-FE GPUs without oc'ing though)
Ps. 83 degrees is the default temp limit on a non-overclocked 3070 FE, it can be turned up on MSI Afterburner see above.
Ps. I do overclock mine not all the time though, (they do run hotter than non-FE GPUs without oc'ing though)
Ps. 83 degrees is the default temp limit on a non-overclocked 3070 FE, it can be turned up on MSI Afterburner see above.
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Monday 17th January 16:07
FourWheelDrift said:
Get Telegram (on your phone & desktop) and sign up to the FE Part Alert and click the link straight away, keep yourself logged into Scan as well by going to the site each day.
I agree. I tried this and was one of the lucky ones. Managed to bag a 3080 FE from Scan - after adding the item to the basket withint a minute of receiving the alert I didn't even rush to complete checkout (had to find my wallet as Scan didn't offer Apple Pay!).Such is the demand for graphics cards, just sold my 18 month old AMD 5700XT for £525 (outside eBay so no fees!) so the cost to change was minimal.
Nvidia has a graph for it's new RTX 3050 that shows it is faster in Control and Minecraft with Ray tracing on than it is on the GTX 1650 (which could but it'd be a slideshow) and the GTX 1050 which doesn't even have hardware accelerated ray tracing support at all.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-happily-confirm...
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