Whats app new privacy terms Feb 8th agree or leave.

Whats app new privacy terms Feb 8th agree or leave.

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Easternlight

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3,429 posts

144 months

Monday 11th January 2021
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Can't see a thread on this so.
New terms from the 8th Feb changing how they are going to share your information with their group of companies Facebook Instagram etc.

The new terms are non negotiable you agree or leave. Plenty on the web about the details so I wont go into it here.

I know many will say so what? but I'm sure there will be plenty that will leave as I probably will.
Always thought Facebook buying whats app would bugger it up in the end, what are others using? Signal? Telegram?

Anyone else bothered?



Edited by Easternlight on Monday 11th January 20:57

camel_landy

4,894 posts

183 months

Monday 11th January 2021
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FWIW - I'm leaving and have shifted to Signal.

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Ridealong

542 posts

70 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Looks like Telegram is the better option versus Signal and WhatsApp

https://meganvwalker.com/telegram-vs-signal-with-w...

number2

4,303 posts

187 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Doesn't affect UK and EU users.

Brainpox

4,055 posts

151 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Tough isn’t it. Most people don’t care and will use WhatsApp regardless. Those that do care don’t agree on which platform to use instead.

The majority just click OK on that pop up so they could see their messages. They won’t see the pop up again.

Kind of hard to use your phone as a communicator if everyone you talk to uses an app that you don’t have installed anymore.

camel_landy

4,894 posts

183 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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number2 said:
Doesn't affect UK and EU users.
Yes and no...

If your details are on someone else's phone and they simply click through to 'allow', then any details about yourself which happen to be on that phone, are accessible. Though in theory, those details should be anonymised once harvested. Cambridge Analytica anyone?

Personally, I just see it as the start of a slippery slope.

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camel_landy

4,894 posts

183 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Brainpox said:
Tough isn’t it. Most people don’t care and will use WhatsApp regardless. Those that do care don’t agree on which platform to use instead.
Very true. You could always ask for a refund. wink

Brainpox said:
Kind of hard to use your phone as a communicator if everyone you talk to uses an app that you don’t have installed anymore.
Errrr.... We still have SMS and voice.

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AJB88

12,399 posts

171 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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I've had Signal for ages, actually use it as my SMS app. had 1-2 contacts who had it installed, now have about 12 contacts who have it installed. Unfortunately none of them are people I chat to on whatsapp.


Brainpox

4,055 posts

151 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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camel_landy said:
Brainpox said:
Tough isn’t it. Most people don’t care and will use WhatsApp regardless. Those that do care don’t agree on which platform to use instead.
Very true. You could always ask for a refund. wink

Brainpox said:
Kind of hard to use your phone as a communicator if everyone you talk to uses an app that you don’t have installed anymore.
Errrr.... We still have SMS and voice.

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WhatsApp used to charge a nominal fee back in the day, to be fair.

Have SMS group chats got better now?

RizzoTheRat

25,155 posts

192 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Given that the issue is them sharing data with Facebook, is it an issue at all for people who have Facebook accounts? Is there additional information they can harvest from Whatsapp that isn't already in a Facebook account?


FunkyNige

8,882 posts

275 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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AJB88 said:
I've had Signal for ages, actually use it as my SMS app. had 1-2 contacts who had it installed, now have about 12 contacts who have it installed. Unfortunately none of them are people I chat to on whatsapp.

Are you using it as your SMS app on Android? I can't see an option for it on iOS.

And I'm having a similar issue with my friends being on WhatsApp and not wanting to change over to another platform, though saying that I just opened it up and two contacts have appeared in Signal so maybe more will turn up in the future!

RizzoTheRat

25,155 posts

192 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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FunkyNige said:
And I'm having a similar issue with my friends being on WhatsApp and not wanting to change over to another platform, though saying that I just opened it up and two contacts have appeared in Signal so maybe more will turn up in the future!
I've just installed it, and have several contacts already, pretty much all of whom work in IT, but I can see switching from WhatsApp being tricky due the number of friends who use it.

camel_landy

4,894 posts

183 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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RizzoTheRat said:
Given that the issue is them sharing data with Facebook, is it an issue at all for people who have Facebook accounts? Is there additional information they can harvest from Whatsapp that isn't already in a Facebook account?
What can WhatsApp access that Facebook can't - Errr... Lots. Address book, photos, location. Then there's also WhatsApp on the desktop.

Facebook also has access to content but it depends on how detailed you've been with your profile. The other side of Facebook is it's accessed via a browser, which you can apply additional controls.

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toon10

6,175 posts

157 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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What are the ramifications of these new terms? I use WhatsApp a lot but what information do they have on me beyond my contact information? I'm sure they don't care about my random meme sharing groups and my Call of Duty gaming arrangements with the squad.

joropug

2,569 posts

189 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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I've downloaded Signal and it seems almost a whatsapp clone. (A good thing!!)

It's only as good as your contacts who sign up though, at this point just 6 of my phone book have it.

I'm systematically trying to move a few of my more daily groups over to it as a 'test' which incidentally moves all my frequent contacts over too haha.

I really hate anything facebook owned, I have gone from being a frequent facebook user to pretty much a "happy birthday mate" type user - and what Dream Car giveaways draws...! I am looking forward to the day where I can leave it entirely without feeling like I will miss out on certain things. Then instagram will be next....


RizzoTheRat

25,155 posts

192 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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camel_landy said:
RizzoTheRat said:
Given that the issue is them sharing data with Facebook, is it an issue at all for people who have Facebook accounts? Is there additional information they can harvest from Whatsapp that isn't already in a Facebook account?
What can WhatsApp access that Facebook can't - Errr... Lots. Address book, photos, location. Then there's also WhatsApp on the desktop.

Facebook also has access to content but it depends on how detailed you've been with your profile. The other side of Facebook is it's accessed via a browser, which you can apply additional controls.

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Surely a huge amount of people are using the Facebook app on their phone (over 5 Bn downloads on Google Play yikes), in which case they already have access to photos and location, and probably address book (not sure how that ties in with FB contacts)

I tend to use Whatapp Web a fair bit, are there particular issues with that?

kinabalu

240 posts

199 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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Bit of a naive question this but as I don't have a facebook a/c would this affect me?

camel_landy

4,894 posts

183 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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RizzoTheRat said:
Surely a huge amount of people are using the Facebook app on their phone (over 5 Bn downloads on Google Play yikes), in which case they already have access to photos and location, and probably address book (not sure how that ties in with FB contacts)
...and that's a good thing?

RizzoTheRat said:
I tend to use Whatapp Web a fair bit, are there particular issues with that?
You can't use WhatsApp web without the app on your phone and access to cookies.

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camel_landy

4,894 posts

183 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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kinabalu said:
Bit of a naive question this but as I don't have a facebook a/c would this affect me?
Yes.

FWIW - If you use WhatsApp, you sorta already have a Facebook account as Facebook bought WhatsApp in 2014.

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Edited by camel_landy on Tuesday 12th January 11:23

RizzoTheRat

25,155 posts

192 months

Tuesday 12th January 2021
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camel_landy said:
RizzoTheRat said:
Surely a huge amount of people are using the Facebook app on their phone (over 5 Bn downloads on Google Play yikes), in which case they already have access to photos and location, and probably address book (not sure how that ties in with FB contacts)
...and that's a good thing?
Probably not, but is the WhatsApp data sharing going to give FB any more information than they already have? ie if people use the FB app and aren't bothered about the data being harvested, is there any reason for them to worry about the new Whatsapp T&Cs?
camel_landy said:
RizzoTheRat said:
I tend to use Whatapp Web a fair bit, are there particular issues with that?
You can't use WhatsApp web without the app on your phone and access to cookies.
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Does that give them any more data than just having the app on the phone though?

Edited by RizzoTheRat on Tuesday 12th January 11:57