Windows 10 to be retired in 2025

[sly fox]

Didn't Microsoft pitch Win 10 as 'the last desktop OS we will ever make' or something similar?

I have to use both, but predominantly use a Mac.
I never come away from any time using a Win 10 host and think it was a great experience and i see application errors or freezing regularly- especially with Office.

But then i see the same issues with Office 365 - especially Powerpoint online. And don't start me on the huge pile of ste that is Teams.

MS just don't produce reliable platforms in my view. I hate the way that Windows Defender slows down the host when scanning/ dealing with new software/downloading stuff from a browser. Awful integration of security into the OS.

I honestly can't remember the last time i had a crash/freeze/forced reboot with my Mac. Was certainly years ago.

[paulrockliffe]

anonymoususer said:

This latest thing seems to be more about the start menu but whether its in the middle of the screen to the left or the right so long as it functions its fine

As I said earlier, it always ends up in arguments over the Start Menu, quite why MS haven't worked out that if they spent some time working up a load of options for you to choose from they'd get less grief I don't know. Mind you they got hammered over the change once when they're left the ability to turn the new start menu off so maybe they just think "fk you all" on this now.

I wish they'd leave it alone though, the full screen thing now is great, it only really needs the ability to scroll down and to add a page of recent documents or whatever else you'd like. Then expand launch options so you can create app and file groups for tasks that you can launch together with a single click.

[geeks]

sly fox said:

Didn't Microsoft pitch Win 10 as 'the last desktop OS we will ever make' or something similar?

I have to use both, but predominantly use a Mac.
I never come away from any time using a Win 10 host and think it was a great experience and i see application errors or freezing regularly- especially with Office.

But then i see the same issues with Office 365 - especially Powerpoint online. And don't start me on the huge pile of ste that is Teams.

MS just don't produce reliable platforms in my view. I hate the way that Windows Defender slows down the host when scanning/ dealing with new software/downloading stuff from a browser. Awful integration of security into the OS.

I honestly can't remember the last time i had a crash/freeze/forced reboot with my Mac. Was certainly years ago.

Where as my experience is the complete opposite, can't remember the last time I had to reboot my Windows machine for an issue but my Mac crashes twice a day and one of those times I only have finder open!

I like what Apple do, but in my experience they are no better at it that Microsoft!

[NMNeil]

Linus managed to get a copy.
If you jump to minute 5:10 Microsoft seems to be joining the worrying trend started by Farcebook.
You have to have a Microsoft account to access apps and settings???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odZSCdNTFPw

[Brother D]

This is disappointing

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11

The TPM 2.0 will probably make 80% more computers incompatible : /

I don't have a single PC that I look after which supports TPM 2.0

There is a link on the page to check if your PC supports it https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

[anonymoususer]

Brother D said:

This is disappointing

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11

The TPM 2.0 will probably make 80% more computers incompatible : /

I don't have a single PC that I look after which supports TPM 2.0

There is a link on the page to check if your PC supports it https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

My Dell Latitude won't
Nor will an ASUS Zen AIO from 3 years back

Edited by anonymoususer on Friday 25th June 10:18

[AJB88]

Are they doing that to become more "Apple" sorry sir your perfectly good machine doesn't play well with our OS.

[mmm-five]

The TPM 2.0 requirement may not last into the final build, but if it does, as long as your motherboard has a TPM header you can plug in a cheap TPM module anyway.

What I'm not liking is the mandatory always connected and logged in to a Microsoft account requirement. I always use a local account, and I'd like to keep my st to myself.

[NGRhodes]

I've seen a report on Reddit of Windows 11 running on an old T400 Thinkpad, but its not clear if there are any features that don't work (in particular the DX12 requirement).

Even if I choose to go with Win11 I will be waiting approx 6months before I upgrade, by then I should have replaced a few of my machines.
I am looking at Linux desktop again (I use it command line daily as part of job) as an option.

[RicksAlfas]

Brother D said:

This is disappointing

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11

The TPM 2.0 will probably make 80% more computers incompatible : /

Genius. Sounds very environmentally friendly!

[Mr Pointy]

anonymous said:

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So what? I have a Dell Optiplex 7010 made in March 2013 & it runs everything I load onto it perfectly. I have two browsers, Outlook, Excel & AutoCad open at the moment & it's happy. It's never crashed & occasionally Windows says it wants to restart out of hours so I let it do it's thing when I close down at night.

It's an i5 with an SSD for the OS, a 1TB HDD & 16GB of RAM but it's only TPM 1.2 & it doesn't seem to have a TPM header so unless MS relent on the TPM requirement it will become useless in 2025. I realise that's not the end of the world but it is a huge waste of resources to have to bin millions of perfectly good PCs.

[Mr Pointy]

On the other thread someon has posted a link to the Windows 11 supported processor list:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/...

That seems to include only 8th generation & later processors, so anything before 2018 is not going to get Windows 11. This really does look more like a programme sponsored by Intel & the PC manufacturers.

[RicksAlfas]

Mr Pointy said:

I realise that's not the end of the world but it is a huge waste of resources to have to bin millions of perfectly good PCs.

Exactly. The majority of business PCs I've scrapped have been perfectly functioning machines just doing their job. They don't have to be cutting edge to print out delivery notes or job bags.

[essayer]

anonymous said:

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Yeah this is a bad attitude, millions of people are not interested in upgrading and will be blocked from Win 11 as a result. Maybe if I'm forced into an upgrade I'll look at something with an M1 in

Suspect MSFT will relent on this

[anonymoususer]

RicksAlfas said:

Mr Pointy said:

I realise that's not the end of the world but it is a huge waste of resources to have to bin millions of perfectly good PCs.

Exactly. The majority of business PCs I've scrapped have been perfectly functioning machines just doing their job. They don't have to be cutting edge to print out delivery notes or job bags.

Funny isn't it
If this is the case and my AIO has just failed the test because of the processor then it effectively seems to mean after 2025 you are on your own
Unless they change the specs needed
It needs a large body of environmentalists to maybe force Microsoft to change requirements
I bet that won't happen

[anonymoususer]

anonymous said:

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Never mind it gives you something to slag others off about

[Sheepshanks]

Mr Pointy said:

So what? I have a Dell Optiplex 7010 made in March 2013 .....

It's going to be 12yrs old by 2025 - that's pushing it for the life of a laptop.

I pass my work ones at 3yrs old down to family members and they get pretty iffy by the second step when they're 6yrs old with things like fans and display backlights failing, and the thing taking minutes to boot up. Not to mention the battery and there's always the dilemma about whether to get a pukka one at significant cost or chance one from another source.

They'll probably extend support for Windows 10 anyway, at least for security updates.

[Whoozit]

Sheepshanks said:

It's going to be 12yrs old by 2025 - that's pushing it for the life of a laptop.

I pass my work ones at 3yrs old down to family members and they get pretty iffy by the second step when they're 6yrs old with things like fans and display backlights failing, and the thing taking minutes to boot up. Not to mention the battery and there's always the dilemma about whether to get a pukka one at significant cost or chance one from another source.

They'll probably extend support for Windows 10 anyway, at least for security updates.

Great for you. I have a self-built desktop from 2012 which is still going fine. Thankfully it seems TPM 1.2 will be the hard floor and my MB has the right header for it. If 'd been forced to spend a grand on effectively a motherboard change, I'd be rather unhappy.

But as you say, Win10 likely to be supported for some time yet. Although to be seen if that also applies to O365, for instance.

[Mr Pointy]

Sheepshanks said:

Mr Pointy said:

So what? I have a Dell Optiplex 7010 made in March 2013 .....

It's going to be 12yrs old by 2025 - that's pushing it for the life of a laptop.

I pass my work ones at 3yrs old down to family members and they get pretty iffy by the second step when they're 6yrs old with things like fans and display backlights failing, and the thing taking minutes to boot up. Not to mention the battery and there's always the dilemma about whether to get a pukka one at significant cost or chance one from another source.

They'll probably extend support for Windows 10 anyway, at least for security updates.

It's a desktop.

[Sheepshanks]

Mr Pointy said:

It's a desktop.

I guess you've had to upgrade bits of now and again so maybe the MB will have to be changed at some point.

FIL had a Dell midi-tower and it was a nightmare after a few years although he was doing photo-editing on it. I suppose once every part of it is out of date it'd probably be cheaper to buy a new one.