Windows 11 - lightweight? fast? and Android?

[saaby93]

Windows 11 will be available as a free update to existing Windows 10 users - although some devices will not have the right specifications. These include a minimum of 64 gigabytes of storage and 4 gigabytes of RAM.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57598554
Why so bloaty?

11 when 10 isnt enough

[markiii]

doesn't sound very bloaty

[saaby93]

markiii said:

doesn't sound very bloaty

it does if you have a 40GB hard drive

[randlemarcus]

saaby93 said:

it does if you have a 40GB hard drive

And when did Sir buy that?

[markiii]

saaby93 said:

markiii said:

doesn't sound very bloaty

it does if you have a 40GB hard drive

still doesn't male it bloaty just means your underequipped for that OS

[saaby93]

markiii said:

saaby93 said:

markiii said:

doesn't sound very bloaty

it does if you have a 40GB hard drive

still doesn't male it bloaty just means your underequipped for that OS

there must be a way of installing about 20GB of useful stuff and the rest only on demand

[Gary C]

Thought MS had declared windows 10 was the last operating system with only updates needed ever after ?

and the product managers name is ironically ' Panos '

ah well, one of my machines still runs MSDOS 3.1

Edited by Gary C on Thursday 24th June 18:37

[Whoozit]

Gary C said:

ah well, one of my machines still runs MSDOS 3.1

Edited by Gary C on Thursday 24th June 18:37

cd\

del *.*

Ah those were the days.

Also - copying Doom from floppy onto our (investment bank) work network in maybe 1994, and spending an hour fragging during the long analyst evenings rewriting presentations.

[Dromedary66]

Been playing with it in a VM.

I do like the design style changes, specifically the curved corners of windows and buttons.

Didn't like the centre task bar icon arrangement and immediately moved that back to the left. Feels like they are trying to ape macOS

So far I haven't seen nearly enough to justify why it needs to be a major version update and not just a bi-annual feature update, unless there's some significant kernel updates under the hood which I highly doubt.

That model had worked well since 2015 for enterprise use and it's a shame that is going away, especially since they said Windows 10 would be the last.

[colin79666]

Requires TPM 2.0. Seems to me like an artificial blocker to force people to buy a new machine. Only PCs from about 2015 onwards will have this, lots of people still have PCs they upgraded to 10 from Windows 7/8 that otherwise we’ll exceed the minimum requirements.

[S6PNJ]

saaby93 said:

markiii said:

doesn't sound very bloaty

it does if you have a 40GB hard drive

A lot of 'older' Windows tablets only have 32Gb but run Win 10 fine - the Linx range for example (Linx 1010 range) - and only 2Gb RAM, so I guess they are out for a start.

[paulrockliffe]

S6PNJ said:

saaby93 said:

markiii said:

doesn't sound very bloaty

it does if you have a 40GB hard drive

A lot of 'older' Windows tablets only have 32Gb but run Win 10 fine - the Linx range for example (Linx 1010 range) - and only 2Gb RAM, so I guess they are out for a start.

You might find it needs 40Gb to upgrade, because it needs to have 10 and 11 on at the same time. If you do a fresh install the specs could be lower.

There's a tool that tells you if you can upgrade, it's currently saying I can't upgrade at all despite smashing all the specs out of the park, so I'd take it all with a pinch of salt at the moment.

I'm looking forward to the Android stuff, if I can put an Android App in that side bar thing as a Widget that would be ace for keeping an eye on central heating, my 3D printer, using music players etc.

[paulrockliffe]

colin79666 said:

Requires TPM 2.0. Seems to me like an artificial blocker to force people to buy a new machine. Only PCs from about 2015 onwards will have this, lots of people still have PCs they upgraded to 10 from Windows 7/8 that otherwise we’ll exceed the minimum requirements.

I just checked this, Windows says I don't have TPM, so I guess I need to turn it on in BIOS. I must have it, I'm sure.

I don't know anything about TPM, but is it one of those things where they can't win? They get hammered by Linux weirdos over security and hammered over upgrades when they insist on stuff like this.

[smithyithy]

Apparently people are being told they can't run it because they haven't got TPM turned on, rather than not having the hardware specs...

I won't be jumping the upgrade for a while, no doubt there will be teething issues initially, and seeing as I use my PC mainly for gaming I'm in no rush.

[gaseous clay]

Finally a decent Kindle app for my Surface Pro X...Bring it on!

[Brother D]

paulrockliffe said:

colin79666 said:

Requires TPM 2.0. Seems to me like an artificial blocker to force people to buy a new machine. Only PCs from about 2015 onwards will have this, lots of people still have PCs they upgraded to 10 from Windows 7/8 that otherwise we’ll exceed the minimum requirements.

I just checked this, Windows says I don't have TPM, so I guess I need to turn it on in BIOS. I must have it, I'm sure.

I don't know anything about TPM, but is it one of those things where they can't win? They get hammered by Linux weirdos over security and hammered over upgrades when they insist on stuff like this.

This requirement will probably prevent 80% of PCs out there upgrading if 2.0 is mandatory. Not many friends and parents are going to be comfortable going into the BIOS/UEFI to enable TPM, and most manufactures probably won't have patches to upgrade from 1.2 to 2.0 on legacy systems.

However this release put TPM 1.2 as the minimum requirement

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibi...

[eliot]

Whoozit said:

cd\

del *.*

Do the job properly son:

del *.* /s /q /f

Edited by eliot on Thursday 24th June 22:09

[colin79666]

Brother D said:

This requirement will probably prevent 80% of PCs out there upgrading if 2.0 is mandatory. Not many friends and parents are going to be comfortable going into the BIOS/UEFI to enable TPM, and most manufactures probably won't have patches to upgrade from 1.2 to 2.0 on legacy systems.

However this release put TPM 1.2 as the minimum requirement

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibi...

Yep and many older machines have no tpm at all (especially not business focussed). My 2012 desktop for one. Time will tell on the 1.2 vs 2.0 requirement, seems like the UI Microsoft aren’t consistent!
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new...

MJF thinks it will require 2.0
https://twitter.com/maryjofoley/status/14081748577...

Edited by colin79666 on Thursday 24th June 22:29

[smithyithy]

Brother D said:

paulrockliffe said:

colin79666 said:

Requires TPM 2.0. Seems to me like an artificial blocker to force people to buy a new machine. Only PCs from about 2015 onwards will have this, lots of people still have PCs they upgraded to 10 from Windows 7/8 that otherwise we’ll exceed the minimum requirements.

I just checked this, Windows says I don't have TPM, so I guess I need to turn it on in BIOS. I must have it, I'm sure.

I don't know anything about TPM, but is it one of those things where they can't win? They get hammered by Linux weirdos over security and hammered over upgrades when they insist on stuff like this.

This requirement will probably prevent 80% of PCs out there upgrading if 2.0 is mandatory. Not many friends and parents are going to be comfortable going into the BIOS/UEFI to enable TPM, and most manufactures probably won't have patches to upgrade from 1.2 to 2.0 on legacy systems.

However this release put TPM 1.2 as the minimum requirement

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibi...

I'm not too clued up on the TPM stuff but..

My <1 year old PC which is pretty high-end doesn't have TPM, apparently it's a separate module for the motherboard?

But, the intel chip has it's own in-built version (called PTT) that can be enabled in the BIOS menu..

It may be the case that while not having TPM, many people will have PTT due to their CPU..

I ran the Windows Health Check app which said I couldn't run Windows 11, then I enabled PTT in the BIOS (very quick and simple), ran the check again and now I'm compatible.

I get what you're saying though, I think the average PC user may not want to have to go into the BIOS to make changes, which would be a shame as a lot of people may be Win 11 ready once they've enabled TPM / PTT if it's available..

I don't know what other option there is.... BIOS updates to automatically enable it by default?

[saaby93]

Is it clear whether TPM is beneficial?