Any real gain to update to FTTP over a good FTTC service
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the-norseman said:
my FTTP Cityfibre through Vodafone has been bulletproof 200 up 200 down.
Can I ask which websites people are using to test their speeds ?I've tried www.fast.com,www.speedtest.net and https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/ and running tests back to back, I get differing result, often by quite a lot. I've read the issue is because the sites are the bottleneck themselves as opposed to the incoming connection. Obviously I'm testing on a wired connection to my router.
I tend to use either fast.com or a server sitting on 10 gig that I have access to. With fast.com I make a point of testing first thing in the morning to avoid congestion at the test site.
As broadband connections get faster, the network bandwidth of the systems you're trying to connect to inevitably becomes a factor, which is partly why I see little point in really fast domestic connections for more purposes.
As broadband connections get faster, the network bandwidth of the systems you're trying to connect to inevitably becomes a factor, which is partly why I see little point in really fast domestic connections for more purposes.
xeny said:
I tend to use either fast.com or a server sitting on 10 gig that I have access to. With fast.com I make a point of testing first thing in the morning to avoid congestion at the test site.
As broadband connections get faster, the network bandwidth of the systems you're trying to connect to inevitably becomes a factor, which is partly why I see little point in really fast domestic connections for more purposes.
fast.com certainly gives me the best figures. Also you can change some setting so it runs the tests for longer, which again I read, gives a more accurate result.As broadband connections get faster, the network bandwidth of the systems you're trying to connect to inevitably becomes a factor, which is partly why I see little point in really fast domestic connections for more purposes.
It's my upload speeds which are all over the place. I've a 900/100 connection and get around 900 or more, but upload speed on the BT checker, for example, says under 10, but fast.com says 80 - 100.
snuffy said:
Can I ask which websites people are using to test their speeds ?
I've tried www.fast.com,www.speedtest.net and https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/ and running tests back to back, I get differing result, often by quite a lot. I've read the issue is because the sites are the bottleneck themselves as opposed to the incoming connection. Obviously I'm testing on a wired connection to my router.
Speed test .For anything using OR lines , possibly best to use https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/ .
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I’ve just ran that twice and it’s all over the place. 65mbps first time and 119 the second. Fast.com still shows the 30mbps it usually does. I currently have FTTC which tops out at 36mbps, so I know which of the three results is more likely to be correct.
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I’ve just ran that twice and it’s all over the place. 65mbps first time and 119 the second. Fast.com still shows the 30mbps it usually does. I currently have FTTC which tops out at 36mbps, so I know which of the three results is more likely to be correct.
megaphone said:
Yes the BT speed checker is all over the place, useless.
It's by far the worse one that I have tried. Plus, once run, you can click on the "extra diagnostics" (or whatever it's called) and you can enter your phone number. After I've done that, it tells me that the service is currently very busy and to try again later. It's been like that for a week now. It's like "we are currently experiencing higher than normal call volumes" that every single company now announces when you ring them up !snuffy said:
It's my upload speeds which are all over the place. I've a 900/100 connection and get around 900 or more, but upload speed on the BT checker, for example, says under 10, but fast.com says 80 - 100.
If you're concerned about upload, presumably you've got a host you need to upload to? Can you time for known file sizes?Freakuk said:
Do you currently have fibre laid to your property? If not then OpenReach will need to either dig up your drive/garden to get it to your property or run it overhead.
If you haven't, it's probably not worth the hassle.
This is what puts me off (along with Virgin, and their appalling customer service, who've ran the fibre up our road).If you haven't, it's probably not worth the hassle.
We still have a phone line from a pole to our house, and our front is combination of drive and paving slabs meaning a fibre install would be both messy and expensive. Plus on my parent's road in Sheffield I've seen the 'quality' of the installs to the termination point at the property boundary and they are terrible. A brown pipe up the boundary wall with the fibre in it, then the fibre poked over the top of the wall into the garden, and the black cap over the termination point on the pavement missing and the fibre showing. Amazed none of them have been vandalised tbh.
If we ever have to go down that road then I will find, and pay, someone to do a professional installation for me.
xeny said:
snuffy said:
It's my upload speeds which are all over the place. I've a 900/100 connection and get around 900 or more, but upload speed on the BT checker, for example, says under 10, but fast.com says 80 - 100.
If you're concerned about upload, presumably you've got a host you need to upload to? Can you time for known file sizes?I’ve had my upgrade to FTTP done today.
The internal install was straightforward, but it took two of them to run the fibre from the street to my house. It was a 160m run apparently and didn’t go easy. In the end they had to attach the fibre to the outgoing copper wires and pull the whole lot back from the street junction rather than pushing the fibre from the house and back to the street.
Got it sorted eventually and my 65mb product is currently showing 75mb, both far better than the 30mb I was getting before. Somehow my landline is still working too. Not quite sure how.
The internal install was straightforward, but it took two of them to run the fibre from the street to my house. It was a 160m run apparently and didn’t go easy. In the end they had to attach the fibre to the outgoing copper wires and pull the whole lot back from the street junction rather than pushing the fibre from the house and back to the street.
Got it sorted eventually and my 65mb product is currently showing 75mb, both far better than the 30mb I was getting before. Somehow my landline is still working too. Not quite sure how.
Not sure why you would need to move from FTTC to FTTP, as copper cable can handle 200-300Mbps anyway? But for such a tiny amount I'd do it.
But then, I consider myself lucky when I get up to 19Mbps. Mind you, I do live in the middle of nowhere - right inn the middle of the South East
can't expect things like a decent broadband connection or 5G can I?
But then, I consider myself lucky when I get up to 19Mbps. Mind you, I do live in the middle of nowhere - right inn the middle of the South East
can't expect things like a decent broadband connection or 5G can I?snuffy said:
Can I ask which websites people are using to test their speeds ?
I've tried www.fast.com,www.speedtest.net and https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/ and running tests back to back, I get differing result, often by quite a lot. I've read the issue is because the sites are the bottleneck themselves as opposed to the incoming connection. Obviously I'm testing on a wired connection to my router.
https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/ is browser based, so results can be variable.I've tried www.fast.com,www.speedtest.net and https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/ and running tests back to back, I get differing result, often by quite a lot. I've read the issue is because the sites are the bottleneck themselves as opposed to the incoming connection. Obviously I'm testing on a wired connection to my router.
www.speedtest.net is very unreliable with fast connections, you need to use the (free) Speedtest.net app from the Windows Store
BT will tell you to use fast.com if you think your speed is not as advertised.
For a true speed test, you need to eliminate any other influences by connecting your laptop/PC/Mac etc to the router directly with a decent ethernet cable to run the test.
robsa said:
Not sure why you would need to move from FTTC to FTTP, as copper cable can handle 200-300Mbps anyway? But for such a tiny amount I'd do it.
But then, I consider myself lucky when I get up to 19Mbps. Mind you, I do live in the middle of nowhere - right inn the middle of the South East can't expect things like a decent broadband connection or 5G can I?
Cable perhaps, what vdsl provider offers that via copper and at what distances from the cabinet would that be?But then, I consider myself lucky when I get up to 19Mbps. Mind you, I do live in the middle of nowhere - right inn the middle of the South East
can't expect things like a decent broadband connection or 5G can I?Captain_Morgan said:
robsa said:
Not sure why you would need to move from FTTC to FTTP, as copper cable can handle 200-300Mbps anyway? But for such a tiny amount I'd do it.
But then, I consider myself lucky when I get up to 19Mbps. Mind you, I do live in the middle of nowhere - right inn the middle of the South East can't expect things like a decent broadband connection or 5G can I?
Cable perhaps, what vdsl provider offers that via copper and at what distances from the cabinet would that be?But then, I consider myself lucky when I get up to 19Mbps. Mind you, I do live in the middle of nowhere - right inn the middle of the South East
can't expect things like a decent broadband connection or 5G can I?robsa said:
But then, I consider myself lucky when I get up to 19Mbps. Mind you, I do live in the middle of nowhere - right inn the middle of the South East can't expect things like a decent broadband connection or 5G can I?
Don't suppose you're in Kent with access to vfast's WISP service? can't expect things like a decent broadband connection or 5G can I?sgrimshaw said:
https://speedtest.btwholesale.com/ is browser based, so results can be variable.
www.speedtest.net is very unreliable with fast connections, you need to use the (free) Speedtest.net app from the Windows Store
BT will tell you to use fast.com if you think your speed is not as advertised.
For a true speed test, you need to eliminate any other influences by connecting your laptop/PC/Mac etc to the router directly with a decent ethernet cable to run the test.
fast.com does indeed give the best speeds. I've also found using different browsers can give different speeds as well.www.speedtest.net is very unreliable with fast connections, you need to use the (free) Speedtest.net app from the Windows Store
BT will tell you to use fast.com if you think your speed is not as advertised.
For a true speed test, you need to eliminate any other influences by connecting your laptop/PC/Mac etc to the router directly with a decent ethernet cable to run the test.
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