Apple Vision Pro

[Jazoli]

ChocolateFrog said:

£3000 or whatever it is and it's got a plastic screen.

That essentially limits its life to a couple of years because after that it'll be scratched to buggery.

Yes it has but you can't see through the device so it doesn't matter if the front screen gets scratched at all, watch the teardown video.

[Baldchap]

If the casters for the Mac are anything to go by, this certainly won't be overpriced.

[Mont Blanc]

ChocolateFrog said:

funinhounslow said:

Ease of use/familiarity/“it just works” is a huge advantage Apple has.

Tell me you've drunk the Apple Koolaid without telling me you've drunk the Apple Koolaid.

An Apple device will be as incomprehensible to me as an Android one is to you.

That is quite true to a large extent.

I have been an Apple and iPhone user for 15 years years (since the iPhone 3G), and yet my work phone is the very latest Samsung thingy-something, and I absolutely hate it with a passion as it seems utterly horrible to use. I leave it in the bottom of my bag, with all calls permanently diverted to my personal iPhone, and only use it as a hotspot for my work laptop.

But, the flip side of that is some of my colleagues have iPhones from work, yet a Samsung/Android whatever as their personal phone, and they hate trying to use the iPhone.

What I will say is that Apple have a way of making the user experience just that little bit slicker, more glossy, and more user friendly than everyone else. There are less options to fiddle with, there is less 'tech stuff'. Apple worked out a long time ago, that you have to make computers, phones, and other tech devices like a washing machine or a TV. With interfaces and controls that are as simple as possible so that even your Granny can use it easily.

Their products also have a more premium look and feel which appeals to a lot of people.

Very, very few people care about the technicalities of a computer or a phone. They want it to be as simple as turning on a light switch. They literally don't care how it works. People who buy Macs (and I include myself in this) rarely care what the spec is. I couldn't tell you a thing about this MacBook I am typing on right now, apart from it's called an M1 Air.

Stuff like migrating your MacBook or iPhone to a new MacBook or iPhone by simply placing them next to each other just blows my mind. I remember many years ago seeing this when I bought a new iPhone and thinking "Every phone and PC in the world should do this exact thing. No excuses"

These days, the gap has closed as Android and Google have OS that looks very similar of course, but my personal opinion is that Apple are still the masters of the more polished product that feels more premium, and they certainly have the clout to take products and make them mainstream like they did with smartphones and personal MP3 players.

[Mont Blanc]

Jazoli said:

ChocolateFrog said:

£3000 or whatever it is and it's got a plastic screen.

That essentially limits its life to a couple of years because after that it'll be scratched to buggery.

Yes it has but you can't see through the device so it doesn't matter if the front screen gets scratched at all, watch the teardown video.

The only issue is that the front facing cameras look through the front plastic-coated glass, so if it gets scratched badly it might interfere with the image seen by the cameras.

That being said, if you scratch a device that badly because you are utterly careless, then what do you expect? It comes with a soft cover included for when you store it or put it in your bag.

[Baldchap]

Mont Blanc said:

That being said, if you scratch a device that badly because you are utterly careless, then what do you expect? It comes with a soft cover included for when you store it or put it in your bag.

You forgot that this is Apple users. I don't think I've ever seen an iPhone in the wild without a cracked screen.

[donkmeister]

Mont Blanc said:

And this is exactly why Apple will reach consumers who have previously not even dreamed of considering a headset/VR/AR thingy.

They have a way of taking existing products and ideas, and creating their own version, which the public will then take an interest in, when previously they had zero interest.

Does Tim Cook at least buy you dinner? Or does he pull your hair and make you call him daddy?

Apple have released a VR headset. Great. Tens of millions of headsets have already been sold, this is not taking a technology into the public consciousness or even making it popular. Their sales will be a blip on the total headsets in use. From what I've seen even Apple aren't claiming that, despite their insistence on having invented half the stuff people already had.

[donkmeister]

gangzoom said:

Blib said:

Comparison videos on you tube between the Vison Pro device and the Meta Quest 3 don't make for happy viewing for team Apple.

There is a Quest 3? I presume its better than the 2, I presume there was a 1 as well? Who actually makes these, FaceBook? I've honestly thought the FaceBook thing died along with 3D TVs years ago.

Not that it makes any difference for someone like me, Vision Pro is still the only VR headset I’m remotely even interested in.

Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 8th February 21:02

The Quest 3: is the third Quest, funnily enough. It's newer than the Quest 2 which is why the Quest 2 is the most popular headset.

Your choice of phrasing and insistance on comparing the Facebook headsets to 3D TV tells me you know very well what Quest headsets are. It's just surprising to see 9th degree fanboyism from an adult.

[Mont Blanc]

Baldchap said:

Mont Blanc said:

That being said, if you scratch a device that badly because you are utterly careless, then what do you expect? It comes with a soft cover included for when you store it or put it in your bag.

You forgot that this is Apple users. I don't think I've ever seen an iPhone in the wild without a cracked screen.

I think that might be an exaggeration.

I know countless of people who use iPhones and none of them have cracked screens. You might be seeing plenty of cracked glass screen protectors, which do break easily, but an actual cracked screen is far rarer these days, and there are actual technical reasons for this

I would totally agree that 8-10 years ago iPhone glass seemed much more prone to being cracked during a drop or other incident. I think I probably had 2 screen replaced over the first 5 or 6 years of owning iPhones, but evolution of toughened glass has been steady and we are now a the point where it is quite hard to smash a glass phone screen. I haven't managed to smash an iPhone for many years now, and I drop mine on what seems to be a fairly regular basis.

It has had some drops and knocks that have left me picking it up absolutely convinced that it must be broken, yet isn't.

Apple have used all kinds of names like Gorilla Glass or Ion-X glass and so on, but the truth is that the vast majority of premium smartphone and tablet screens, including Apple devices, are all made by a company called Corning, who have continually developed their glass, and are now on something like version 8, which is as you would expect, more shatter and scratch resistant than ever.

Apple are just doing their usual thing of taking a relatively off the shelf component and calling it their own name.

Basically, Apple use the same glass as Sony, Pixel, Samsung, Motorola.

If you are really bored and want to read about the history of smartphone glass: https://www.gsmarena.com/flashback_15_years_of_awe...

Edited by Mont Blanc on Friday 9th February 10:00

[ecsrobin]

donkmeister said:

Does Tim Cook at least buy you dinner? Or does he pull your hair and make you call him daddy?

Apple have released a VR headset. Great. Tens of millions of headsets have already been sold, this is not taking a technology into the public consciousness or even making it popular. Their sales will be a blip on the total headsets in use. From what I've seen even Apple aren't claiming that, despite their insistence on having invented half the stuff people already had.

How do you know someone uses android…….















They’ll tell you

[NDA]

Baldchap said:

You forgot that this is Apple users. I don't think I've ever seen an iPhone in the wild without a cracked screen.

I've had every iPhone since launch. I don't think I've ever cracked a screen.

[Leithen]

donkmeister said:

Mont Blanc said:

And this is exactly why Apple will reach consumers who have previously not even dreamed of considering a headset/VR/AR thingy.

They have a way of taking existing products and ideas, and creating their own version, which the public will then take an interest in, when previously they had zero interest.

Does Tim Cook at least buy you dinner? Or does he pull your hair and make you call him daddy?

Apple have released a VR headset. Great. Tens of millions of headsets have already been sold, this is not taking a technology into the public consciousness or even making it popular. Their sales will be a blip on the total headsets in use. From what I've seen even Apple aren't claiming that, despite their insistence on having invented half the stuff people already had.

Did Tim Cook steal your packed lunch at school?

Any dispassionate analysis of Apple will show that they are able to package technology and bring it to the public on a scale that others can't. It's why they are so successful. Their marketing may make your teeth itch, but they understand what they are making and who they are selling it to. They also understand what they need to design, control and build themselves and what they can rely on others to provide.

I haven't had a play with their headset, but listening to a number of reviewers it's clear that they have thought long and hard about what direction the technology should travel in. Sometimes they produce duds, but more often than not they don't. Given that they have billions available to use for R&D, hiring etc, why should that be a surprise to anyone?

[Mont Blanc]

donkmeister said:

Mont Blanc said:

And this is exactly why Apple will reach consumers who have previously not even dreamed of considering a headset/VR/AR thingy.

They have a way of taking existing products and ideas, and creating their own version, which the public will then take an interest in, when previously they had zero interest.

Does Tim Cook at least buy you dinner? Or does he pull your hair and make you call him daddy?

Apple have released a VR headset. Great. Tens of millions of headsets have already been sold, this is not taking a technology into the public consciousness or even making it popular. Their sales will be a blip on the total headsets in use. From what I've seen even Apple aren't claiming that, despite their insistence on having invented half the stuff people already had.

I have absolutely no idea why you would use childish insults in a tech discussion. Have some manners.

If we were sat next to each other on a train and politely chatting about tech would you just suddenly start insulting me and suggesting I had sex with Tim Cook? No, of course you wouldn't. I speak to people on here as I would address them in real life, and I would expect the same from you.

I was simply pointing out that Apple are rarely the first to invent anything, quite the opposite, but what they are good at is getting into the news with products, and getting everyone talking about a certain product line. Whether that be iPod, iPhone, tablets, and now a headset.

As someone else pointed out, the sales figures and technical capability of the Vision will be largely irrelevant, it is the 'Apple frenzy' surrounding the launch (that hasn't happened around other headsets) that will lift the whole market for headsets.

I have no interest in buying an Apple Vision at all. Not in the slightest. But the buzz that apple have created has made me watch a few videos on how it all works, something I have never done with any other headset, and I would suggest that there are many people worldwide that have done exactly that.

[Rebew]

Baldchap said:

If the casters for the Mac are anything to go by, this certainly won't be overpriced.

And yet somehow they are sold out!

[funinhounslow]

ChocolateFrog said:

funinhounslow said:

Ease of use/familiarity/“it just works” is a huge advantage Apple has.

Tell me you've drunk the Apple Koolaid without telling me you've drunk the Apple Koolaid.

An Apple device will be as incomprehensible to me as an Android one is to you.

I'm not drinking any sort of sugary beverage, all I did was point out Apple devices are popular because they are easy to set up and use and last a long time.

I did say I had an Android phone for a bit as a stop gap. It wasn't "incomprehensible"- far from it - it just didn't seamlessly sync with my Apple devices (nor did I expect it to). It's unusable now by the way, while the IPhone 8 I bought just a short while later is still my main phone and works fine. My work phone is a Samsung and I can operate it fine, it’s really not rocket science.

My technophobe partner uses her iPad with minimal assistance from me so I'm not sure why you should find them incomprehensible

Edited by funinhounslow on Friday 9th February 11:53

[Zoon]

Rebew said:

Baldchap said:

If the casters for the Mac are anything to go by, this certainly won't be overpriced.

And yet somehow they are sold out!

Or not restocked as nobody was buying enough of them

[gangzoom]

donkmeister said:

The Quest 3: is the third Quest, funnily enough. It's newer than the Quest 2 which is why the Quest 2 is the most popular headset.

Your choice of phrasing and insistance on comparing the Facebook headsets to 3D TV tells me you know very well what Quest headsets are. It's just surprising to see 9th degree fanboyism from an adult.

I find it odd why some people get so triable about tech, as I've explained I've not actually bought any Apple product with my personal cash for coming up to a decade, yet I'm some how blinded by Apple because I like the Vision Pro and have no interest in FaceBook VR headsets (or 3D TVs)? .

The Vision Pro looks really exciting to me, and I will probably get the 2.0 version. I wouldn't be getting or looking up anything to do with the FaceBook version, infact I cannot remeber the last time I logged into FaceBook or Instagram. If I was to align my self to a brand,I will pick Apple over FaceBook everytime. Though I admit, I still don't know if FaceBook makes the Quest!!

[LeeM135i]

Really interested in giving the Vision Pro a try.

First confession I am an Apple sheeple (I think that's what it's called) with a MacBook Pro, Apple Watch, iPhone, iPad, HomePods, Apple TV. The way they all seamlessly just work together brings high hopes for the Vision Pro. Wirelessly streaming the Mac, iPad or iPhone onto the TV with an Apple TV is a marvel. Using a keyboard and mouse connected to my Mac to work on the iPad is amazing. Saving files on my Mac to then access them on the iPhone is a massive. The way the Mac just unlocks when you pick it up because you are wearing your Apple Watch OMG!!!

99% of the time I use my iPhone as a phone as I prefer the bigger screen on the iPad when using iOS apps / consuming media / surfing the web. I could probably ditch the iPad if I had a vision Pro?????

I could connect the Vision Pro to my Mac and use it as a second screen, wirelessly (except the battery pack) while also having other things running in the background??? I could ditch my external display????

I could use the Vision Pro when travelling as a second screen. I currently plug into a hotel TV, which is horrible, or use my iPad.

Cost of an iPad is £1,200 ish, Cost of a large ultra wide monitor £750 ish so there's £1,950 of the cost of a Vision Pro covered with the added benefit of portability for the large monitor. I also have a TV on the wall in my office which has the news running to keep me company when I am working from home so I could probably loose this as well?

There are other things I might use it for but need to play with one to find out. I get really bad motion sickness, my eyes don't like to be tricked, I get migraines from 3D TV so this might not work for me but I already have a few ideas on what I would replace from my existing tech inventory.

In the future will we have an Apple Watch, Air Pods and a Vision Pro as a replacement for a MacBook, iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad, external monitor, Apple HomePods and Apple TV? The only issue with replacing all of this is you will disappear further into your own little world, just sat there with your headset on, probably not great for mental health?

Its going to be interesting for sure.

[vaud]

NDA said:

Baldchap said:

You forgot that this is Apple users. I don't think I've ever seen an iPhone in the wild without a cracked screen.

I've had every iPhone since launch. I don't think I've ever cracked a screen.

I've had quite a few and one cracked screen.

Because I accidentally ran it over.

[Baldchap]

vaud said:

I've had quite a few and one cracked screen.

Because I accidentally ran it over.

Too many baked potatoes?

You are Brian Harvey AICMFP!

[ChocolateFrog]

Mont Blanc said:

Jazoli said:

ChocolateFrog said:

£3000 or whatever it is and it's got a plastic screen.

That essentially limits its life to a couple of years because after that it'll be scratched to buggery.

Yes it has but you can't see through the device so it doesn't matter if the front screen gets scratched at all, watch the teardown video.

The only issue is that the front facing cameras look through the front plastic-coated glass, so if it gets scratched badly it might interfere with the image seen by the cameras.

That being said, if you scratch a device that badly because you are utterly careless, then what do you expect? It comes with a soft cover included for when you store it or put it in your bag.

No women in your life?

Because the ones in mine would throw it in a bag along with 500 keys and think nothing of it.