Anyone else pre ordered the new AMG GTR?

Anyone else pre ordered the new AMG GTR?

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stoatage17

119 posts

85 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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Dan de HellenBaque said:
Me too, I'm also expecting a 720S in September! May I ask, are you going for Performance or Luxury?
Hi Dan, definitely Performance for me, have seen the Luxury, and although fabulous, prefer the P. Would love to know your spec,so please email me as I guess we will be in trouble talking Mclaren on the GTR thread!

AndrewD

7,527 posts

283 months

Tuesday 18th April 2017
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Dan de HellenBaque said:
Well I for one hope the residuals do remain strong, if not over. Before you cast judgement, there is a logic behind this, and it is certainly not for a few quid 'flippin'. The logic is that as this is the first foray into GT3 territory for AMG, they cannot rely on hype or 'track record' of models past, as Porsche can and do (justifiably or not). The GTR must PROVE itself to be a superb car in its own right, enough to generate real desire which will in turn naturally buoy residuals. This would build a loyal client base and create the incentive for AMG to build even more focused and exciting models, venturing into RS territory and beyond (McLaren/Ferrari?!) I hope, and not stop at this one, which is probably what would happen if the GTR residuals tanked. I placed 2 separate deposits down with separate orders in February 2015, one on the GTR(k.a. GT3 back then) and one on a Black series variant, I sincerely hope AMG continue to evolve the GT range and actually build a black series, so we get to enjoy interesting journey with AMG.

I have booked SPA, but that is not until 1st week October. there was mention of a GTR meet up in July or August, is that still on?
I get what you say but I doubt AMG are basing their strategy on what happens to residuals. We are in a bubble market and it ought to be more a matter of identifying a niche you can profitably exploit. It would be odd given how much Mercedes spend on F1 not to be looking to broaden their market base. Both Porsche and Ferrari have been making cars for this market through good times and bad, and it ought to be first and foremost about the engineering and the way the cars drive not whether they make overs or not. I realise it is a bit of an indictment of the world we have been living in but we've all grown too used to cost free motoring of late. I can recall buying a Porsche GT car was a cost you went into with your eyes open, on a pay to play basis. These days it seems more about the hype and the overs which is sad. Not saying you are guilty of that of course!

Dan de HellenBaque

24 posts

106 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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AndrewD said:
I get what you say but I doubt AMG are basing their strategy on what happens to residuals. We are in a bubble market and it ought to be more a matter of identifying a niche you can profitably exploit. It would be odd given how much Mercedes spend on F1 not to be looking to broaden their market base. Both Porsche and Ferrari have been making cars for this market through good times and bad, and it ought to be first and foremost about the engineering and the way the cars drive not whether they make overs or not. I realise it is a bit of an indictment of the world we have been living in but we've all grown too used to cost free motoring of late. I can recall buying a Porsche GT car was a cost you went into with your eyes open, on a pay to play basis. These days it seems more about the hype and the overs which is sad. Not saying you are guilty of that of course!
Andrew, point well made and taken, I remember the 'pay to play' days very well too. I did not actually mean that a manufacturer would base its strategy on residuals, strong residuals though are usually caused by one of two things, either the quality of the product ('the way it drives') vs price, or artificial 'hype'. Both create a desire and demand for the product, but only one is sustainable. Of course AMG will not be in the slightest bit interested in residuals, however they will be interested in the cause. I am sure their data collection and analytics will be sophisticated enough to establish whether that cause is artificial. If not, they will then know they have created a product that meets or exceeds the expectation and demand from within that 'niche' segment. That being the case, as you say, they will continue to 'exploit' it, feeding the desire and demand from genuine customers such as ourselves (I like to think!). Manufacturers still make their profit no matter what happens to residuals, however, an example of when they get it wrong relying on 'hype', is the limited run (150 for the UK. 85 coupes, 65 Convertibles) Bentley Supersports, which was 'hyped-up' as being "sold out at launch", not the case though as my dealer was offering discounts off list! My point is that I do hope that the AMG GTR is a genuinely good product, giving us a thrilling ownership experience and that it is well received by the media, providing incentive for AMG to do more. I am not one for storing cars, leave that sort of thing to museums and galleries, I have already put over 6k miles on my F12 in 8 months (3,500 in Italy!) and thoroughly enjoyed doing so!

stoatage17

119 posts

85 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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Dan de HellenBaque said:
AndrewD said:
I get what you say but I doubt AMG are basing their strategy on what happens to residuals. We are in a bubble market and it ought to be more a matter of identifying a niche you can profitably exploit. It would be odd given how much Mercedes spend on F1 not to be looking to broaden their market base. Both Porsche and Ferrari have been making cars for this market through good times and bad, and it ought to be first and foremost about the engineering and the way the cars drive not whether they make overs or not. I realise it is a bit of an indictment of the world we have been living in but we've all grown too used to cost free motoring of late. I can recall buying a Porsche GT car was a cost you went into with your eyes open, on a pay to play basis. These days it seems more about the hype and the overs which is sad. Not saying you are guilty of that of course!
Andrew, point well made and taken, I remember the 'pay to play' days very well too. I did not actually mean that a manufacturer would base its strategy on residuals, strong residuals though are usually caused by one of two things, either the quality of the product ('the way it drives') vs price, or artificial 'hype'. Both create a desire and demand for the product, but only one is sustainable. Of course AMG will not be in the slightest bit interested in residuals, however they will be interested in the cause. I am sure their data collection and analytics will be sophisticated enough to establish whether that cause is artificial. If not, they will then know they have created a product that meets or exceeds the expectation and demand from within that 'niche' segment. That being the case, as you say, they will continue to 'exploit' it, feeding the desire and demand from genuine customers such as ourselves (I like to think!). Manufacturers still make their profit no matter what happens to residuals, however, an example of when they get it wrong relying on 'hype', is the limited run (150 for the UK. 85 coupes, 65 Convertibles) Bentley Supersports, which was 'hyped-up' as being "sold out at launch", not the case though as my dealer was offering discounts off list! My point is that I do hope that the AMG GTR is a genuinely good product, giving us a thrilling ownership experience and that it is well received by the media, providing incentive for AMG to do more. I am not one for storing cars, leave that sort of thing to museums and galleries, I have already put over 6k miles on my F12 in 8 months (3,500 in Italy!) and thoroughly enjoyed doing so!
I agree with a lot of what you both say, but not sure that it is true that manufacturers don't give a tinkers cus about residuals. I am sure most manufacturers would love to be in Ferrari's, and to a lesser extent, Porsche's position that whenever a new model is mentioned, there are already 1000's of orders w/wide, which means residuals are very strong and more people order the car. This situation is happening to Mclaren with the LT's and maybe now the 720S. I am sure AMG want to be in a similar with the GTR/GTC, unlike the GT where they flooded the market especially in Europe. The Lambourgini Performante was also sold out at launch, like the Bentley Supersports, although my eldest son got one ordered 2 weeks ago, and his mate 2 (coupe and cab) !!
If it is rare and you can't have it, everyone wants it, whatever it is you are talking about. Its human nature.

Stuart1961

88 posts

87 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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First time I have seen any published performance figures for the GTR which are from the Top Gear magazine road test. These figures were without launch control (as with launch control they couldn't get under 4 seconds for 0-60mph):

0-10mph 0.53secs
0-20mph 0.99
0-30mph 1.53
0-40mph 2.12
0-50mph 2.72
0-60mph 3.35
0-70mph 4.11
0-80mph 4.85
0-90mph 5.76
0-100mph 6.80
0-110mph 7.91
0-120mph 9.31
0-130mph 10.85
0-140mph 12.77
30-70mph 2.57secs
¼ mile 11.17secs @ 132.1mph


CitySlicker

300 posts

92 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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Woah impressive acceleration! The recent information and data over the last several months are consistently exceeding my expectations.

MB Brooklands have a GTR, looks awesome and sounds epic!




Dan de HellenBaque

24 posts

106 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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stoatage17 said:
Hi Dan, definitely Performance for me, have seen the Luxury, and although fabulous, prefer the P. Would love to know your spec,so please email me as I guess we will be in trouble talking Mclaren on the GTR thread!
You're settings are set to 'not permit emails' and you're right we shouldn't propagate a thread on the 720S here, you can email me though. Very happy to start a new thread on the 720S though. Best, D.

Dan de HellenBaque

24 posts

106 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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CitySlicker said:
Woah impressive acceleration! The recent information and data over the last several months are consistently exceeding my expectations.

MB Brooklands have a GTR, looks awesome and sounds epic!
At AMG Brooklands too, menacing presence!


Dan de HellenBaque

24 posts

106 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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Dan de HellenBaque said:
At AMG Brooklands too, menacing presence!

stoatage17

119 posts

85 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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Dan de HellenBaque said:
Dan de HellenBaque said:
At AMG Brooklands too, menacing presence!
Hi Dan,

It looks awesome! I have sent you an email , no idea why it does not show on PistonHeads, can only think it is my email security, gawd knows why!

AndrewD

7,527 posts

283 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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I'd be interested in colours - this is my first AMG. The launch green and also the yellow seem amazing and show off the lines better than the black I was considering. But is it a bit loud for a Mercedes?

stoatage17

119 posts

85 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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AndrewD said:
I'd be interested in colours - this is my first AMG. The launch green and also the yellow seem amazing and show off the lines better than the black I was considering. But is it a bit loud for a Mercedes?
Andrew, being one of the "loudest" cars in the world, in every respect, you should choose the colour you fancy. I am not sure it would be possible to have a colour that was anywhere near too loud no matter how you tried!! I am having the Green, but the black above looks stunning .

CitySlicker

300 posts

92 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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AMG have only recently started diversifying their colour palette, beforehand it was very much "which shade of grey sir?' inherited from MB; as the brand grows I expect for more colours to be added. I wasn't sold on the green but solar beam yellow is truly stunning, it has quality and great depth. IMO the GTR is quite menacing and think it suits a more aggressive look with a darker colour.

CitySlicker

300 posts

92 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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No disrespect to your colour choice stoatage17!

stoatage17

119 posts

85 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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CitySlicker said:
No disrespect to your colour choice stoatage17!
Non taken City, there are a few more I could easily have chosen. I have another car arriving later this year, and am having Volcano Yellow!(not an AMG), But just felt that the "Beast of the Green Hell" should be green!

Kaizu

7 posts

214 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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Sport Auto magazine (the bible) tells the car had special Michelin tires for their record lap. The record-setting tires are still street legal and are available for price of 3950 EUR per set, ouch!

To make things difficult, these special tires are also Michelin Cup2s, but they are totally different model compared to the ordinary Cup2's the car comes with. Bit silly that Mercedes does not tell about these tires anywhere in their marketing materials.

The press car was also dyno'd at 619PS instead of 585PS. +34hp always welcomed...

Kaizu

7 posts

214 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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You were unable to catch the point that the tested car had more power than claimed? That's nothing extraordinary with today's turbo engines, but still 34 is quite a bit more and I thought it's worthwhile to mention.

And btw. I'll happily argue with you, PS is "HP", it is the DIN metric horsepower, it's the historical standard what horsepower actually is rather than the BHP you guys use in UK. European manufacturers stick with PS, and why wouldn't they? Must be hard for you to find how "a 500hp car" is 493bhp for you? biggrin

AndrewD

7,527 posts

283 months

Sunday 23rd April 2017
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stoatage17 said:
Andrew, being one of the "loudest" cars in the world, in every respect, you should choose the colour you fancy. I am not sure it would be possible to have a colour that was anywhere near too loud no matter how you tried!! I am having the Green, but the black above looks stunning .
Thanks!
Actually I was thinking of the yellow, my gen 2 GT3 should be in paint to sample triple layer pearl yellow so it would sort of make sense.
The green is fantastic, well done on the choice.

houlbt

738 posts

264 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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AndrewD said:
I'd be interested in colours - this is my first AMG. The launch green and also the yellow seem amazing and show off the lines better than the black I was considering. But is it a bit loud for a Mercedes?
I was going to go for a dark colour but ended up with green....

mhh

1,558 posts

241 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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I'm going green too. Seeing the car in green at Goodwood sold me on the car!