2007 C55 AMG estate - buying advice

2007 C55 AMG estate - buying advice

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edc

9,234 posts

251 months

Tuesday 8th January 2019
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Welshbeef said:
If there was a C55 & C63 same age ish identical spec and price which would you go for ?
Much prefer the C55 shape myself. Sold mine now but would get another over a C63 if the condition was right.

Dammit

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3,790 posts

208 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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It's a much rarer car (the C55 estate, anecdotally only 50 produced for the UK), so if that matters to you it's a factor, the other is the breaking head-bolts of the earlier 6.2 litre V8's, which ruled out that entire period of car for me.

I do like how almost no one has any idea that the C55 isn't a 220CDi, can make for some entertaining traffic light Grand Prix moments.

Dammit

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3,790 posts

208 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Summer wheels are ready for, well, summer:


DKL

4,487 posts

222 months

Wednesday 9th January 2019
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Dammit said:
Summer wheels are ready for, well, summer:
Quite right although ours looks a bit odd at the back as the recommended size is not staggered as the summers are and an inch smaller. Still as you say it looks even more like a 220D like this. Not that the current weather has really justified winters but maybe that will change.

evojam

566 posts

160 months

Sunday 13th January 2019
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Dammit said:
It's a much rarer car (the C55 estate, anecdotally only 50 produced for the UK), so if that matters to you it's a factor, the other is the breaking head-bolts of the earlier 6.2 litre V8's, which ruled out that entire period of car for me.

I do like how almost no one has any idea that the C55 isn't a 220CDi, can make for some entertaining traffic light Grand Prix moments.
Debadge it and you have the perfect Q-estate with only the quad tailpipes to give the game away! in terms of performance how does it compare to your 996? from say hypothetically a rolling start from 50mph to 150mph on an autobahn,which do you think would win?

Dammit

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3,790 posts

208 months

Tuesday 15th January 2019
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I would think the C55 at the moment, but I'm building a new engine for the 996 that will rev past 8,000rpm with a new displacement of 3.7 litres, and I'd expect that to beat the C55.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Tuesday 15th January 2019
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Another performance competitor to this which is so often overlooked is the S6 5.2 v10..... rare fast lovely noise.

evojam

566 posts

160 months

Friday 25th January 2019
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Dammit said:
I would think the C55 at the moment, but I'm building a new engine for the 996 that will rev past 8,000rpm with a new displacement of 3.7 litres, and I'd expect that to beat the C55.
Sounds like the 996 engine will be quite something when completed! think there's a few C55's with swapped W211 E55 engines kicking about but gets a bit crazy after thateek

PorkRind

3,053 posts

205 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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Rattly sunroofs, all the c55's i test drove had rattly sunroofs ?!!?

PorkRind

3,053 posts

205 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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edc said:
Forget the concours. Get a Eurocharged map ECU and TCU and a X pipe and 400 bhp and 400lbft is all you need.
Yes they are rather sluggish for a 5.5 litre v8, i test drove the c63 after and it was night and day, bought the c63.

Get over / down / up / across to MSL - Acid there does brilliant remapping and got some rather nice gains from my c63. 457 to 515 with new air filters. Also had a proper diff fitted whilst there. Not a cheap day out but well worth it.

evojam

566 posts

160 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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PorkRind said:
Yes they are rather sluggish for a 5.5 litre v8, i test drove the c63 after and it was night and day, bought the c63.

Get over / down / up / across to MSL - Acid there does brilliant remapping and got some rather nice gains from my c63. 457 to 515 with new air filters. Also had a proper diff fitted whilst there. Not a cheap day out but well worth it.
The C55 is set in the mould of the old school V8 AMG's,bombproof tried and tested recipe,the example I passengered in certainly did'nt feel sluggish at 175mph just outside Wurzburg! C63 is the later gen high revving,more responsive V8,now surpassed again by the latest crazy fast bi-turbo V8 AMG stuff,a 58bhp gain from a normally aspirated remap is rather impressive though!

Terzo123

4,311 posts

208 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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evojam said:
The C55 is set in the mould of the old school V8 AMG's,bombproof tried and tested recipe,the example I passengered in certainly did'nt feel sluggish at 175mph just outside Wurzburg! C63 is the later gen high revving,more responsive V8,now surpassed again by the latest crazy fast bi-turbo V8 AMG stuff,a 58bhp gain from a normally aspirated remap is rather impressive though!
Mercedes pegged back the engine in the W204 C63 so as not to tread on the toes of its big brother the E63 which had the same engine.


A simple re-map effectively put the engine back to normal output, circa 510bhp instead of the restricted 457

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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Terzo123 said:
Mercedes pegged back the engine in the W204 C63 so as not to tread on the toes of its big brother the E63 which had the same engine.


A simple re-map effectively put the engine back to normal output, circa 510bhp instead of the restricted 457
Isn’t the M156 a bit different to the C63 507 otherwise it’s a huge con to the public.

PorkRind

3,053 posts

205 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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evojam said:
The C55 is set in the mould of the old school V8 AMG's,bombproof tried and tested recipe,the example I passengered in certainly did'nt feel sluggish at 175mph just outside Wurzburg! C63 is the later gen high revving,more responsive V8,now surpassed again by the latest crazy fast bi-turbo V8 AMG stuff,a 58bhp gain from a normally aspirated remap is rather impressive though!
Yeah, i was surprised too, the exhaust is what holds back the c63, with longer headers and sports cat and you can get 530 from the engine.
Then it gets really expensive with superchargers costing more like £10k for 650 odd horse power. Stage 3 weistech is good for 750 +.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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However all up a C63 will do more than 175mph which is the same as he C55.

It looks like the C63 is a good 2 to 3 seconds quicker 0-100mph. Part of that will be the vastly quicker shifting gearbox the rest more power.

Terzo123

4,311 posts

208 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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Welshbeef said:
Terzo123 said:
Mercedes pegged back the engine in the W204 C63 so as not to tread on the toes of its big brother the E63 which had the same engine.


A simple re-map effectively put the engine back to normal output, circa 510bhp instead of the restricted 457
Isn’t the M156 a bit different to the C63 507 otherwise it’s a huge con to the public.
Yes there are some minor differences between the 507 engine and a standard C63.

However there was effectively no differences between the M156 engined E63's and C63's except the latter put out around 450 bhp and the former around 510 bhp. The throttle and fuelling on the C63's were restricted to preserve the AMG hierarchy.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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Terzo123 said:
Yes there are some minor differences between the 507 engine and a standard C63.

However there was effectively no differences between the M156 engined E63's and C63's except the latter put out around 450 bhp and the former around 510 bhp. The throttle and fuelling on the C63's were restricted to preserve the AMG hierarchy.
So if the 507 produced 507bhp with special internals yet the E63 with the same engine as the 457bhp C63 made 510bhp get had a longer exhaust (a handful of inches) and longer headers.

Terzo123

4,311 posts

208 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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Welshbeef said:
So if the 507 produced 507bhp with special internals yet the E63 with the same engine as the 457bhp C63 made 510bhp get had a longer exhaust (a handful of inches) and longer headers.
Is that a question or a statement?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

198 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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Terzo123 said:
Welshbeef said:
So if the 507 produced 507bhp with special internals yet the E63 with the same engine as the 457bhp C63 made 510bhp get had a longer exhaust (a handful of inches) and longer headers.
Is that a question or a statement?
What’s so special about the 507 engine and also the black series of only a N/A remap gets the base car to the same level whereas a remap of the faster engine doesn’t give much more.

Terzo123

4,311 posts

208 months

Saturday 26th January 2019
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Welshbeef said:
What’s so special about the 507 engine and also the black series of only a N/A remap gets the base car to the same level whereas a remap of the faster engine doesn’t give much more.
Google it.