105 engine specialists

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if you were in the market for an uprated fast road engine for your 105 (is this the NORD engine as its called?) who would be your preferred builder and why?
If i ever do find the perfect 105 step front, i'd love to slip say a 2 litre in and get something like 160-200bhp without making it undriveable or ill mannered. Preferably suitable for carbs, any advice, cost expectations or comments appreciated.

i also understand that with a little work the Alfa type 75 block can also be fitted without too much hassle?

not 100% up as such on the blocks/swaps available. i did see the V6 conversion at the NEC classic, but i think thats a step too far tbh.

[_Superleggera_]

I'd only ever use Felice at Auto Alfa. He's built so many engines over the years, especially on the classics and the odd GTAm replicas.

[corporalsparrow]

Andy Cattani. Assuming you can get a slot.

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Do these guys have blocks available or do you need to supply a base unit generally?

[coetzeeh]

these guys are probably a bit OTT but never the less interesting stuff. http://www.formulagt.de/showroom/parts

If you are looking for a good TS engine drop me a PM.

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pm sent, and cheers for the assistance. ideally i'd be hoping to buy a full block or finished built engine.

[arguti]

My only 5p contribution is that is important to discuss up front what actually you are hoping to achieve and how much it would cost to get to that spec- also need to check if the builder is happy to warrant an engine that somebody may install and set up incorrectly - where does the blame lie?

I know Guy Croft is better known for his Fiat/Lancia engine builds, it is worth going onto his forums and reading his replies and then you begin to realise how complex choosing the right spec is - even more so with turbo engines To choose the right package as the camshafts have to work with the head, the exhaust manifold and the right pistons to produce the promised package. don't be an armchair mechanic like me, cruising the glossy websites with the latest lightened, titanium oversize bulb holders guaranteed to provide 3 extra watts illumination and make your car faster. .

was speaking to some experienced who generally warrant their output to within 3-4 BHP of the promised output

For a starter, here is a heartening thread. http://www.guy-croft.com/viewtopic.php?t=2574

[jamieandthemagic]

I recently had this 1300 built, with a combo of good people, resulted in 125bhp....good for a 1300.



Get a copy of Jim Ks book, good guide to easily get 170-200bhp from a 2000cc Nord block
https://www.amazon.com/Romeo-Engine-High-Performan...

Please don’t do the alfa75 engine swap. There’s too many decent 75’s been raped for this engineswap. It’s a brainless swap that’s been done badly all too often.

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I need a car first, this is just the ideas stage :-)
Road car driveability wise what can you expect safely on a 2litre nord 8v without it being hard work to drive ? Been reading the articles on guy chamberlain forum as and when I Can, not as easy or cheap to tune as the modern 16v stuff like Zetec etc.

[James B]

200Plus Club said:

I need a car first, this is just the ideas stage :-)
Road car driveability wise what can you expect safely on a 2litre nord 8v without it being hard work to drive ? Been reading the articles on guy chamberlain forum as and when I Can, not as easy or cheap to tune as the modern 16v stuff like Zetec etc.

The Nord in my race/road 105 is about 180ish bhp and perfectly driveable on the road and still competitive on the track. I understand that going much beyond this, power-wise, is an expensive process.

[arguti]

corporalsparrow said:

Andy Cattani. Assuming you can get a slot.

Interesting, who is he and what does he do?

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James B said:

200Plus Club said:

I need a car first, this is just the ideas stage :-)
Road car driveability wise what can you expect safely on a 2litre nord 8v without it being hard work to drive ? Been reading the articles on guy chamberlain forum as and when I Can, not as easy or cheap to tune as the modern 16v stuff like Zetec etc.

The Nord in my race/road 105 is about 180ish bhp and perfectly driveable on the road and still competitive on the track. I understand that going much beyond this, power-wise, is an expensive process.

You still on carbs James? Interested to find out more if poss. Dizzy spec?
Does the stock propshaft diff etc stand upto it ok? 180bhp sounds perfect if the cost is manageable. Love to hear more on what was done and who by if poss.

[viggyp]

I'd go with Guy Croft as he really does his homework and inspects the engines.

A lot of people ask him how much power he can get out of an engine even though he's never worked on that particular engine before hence the homework before the tune.

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viggyp said:

I'd go with Guy Croft as he really does his homework and inspects the engines.

A lot of people ask him how much power he can get out of an engine even though he's never worked on that particular engine before hence the homework before the tune.

yes i'm reading his forum and its very interesting tbh, hes obviously very technically competent and also experienced, hes obviously learned a lot from years on engine building on these and others.

[viggyp]

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viggyp said:

I'd go with Guy Croft as he really does his homework and inspects the engines.

A lot of people ask him how much power he can get out of an engine even though he's never worked on that particular engine before hence the homework before the tune.

yes i'm reading his forum and its very interesting tbh, hes obviously very technically competent and also experienced, hes obviously learned a lot from years on engine building on these and others.

Yes, he's really very good and has modified a few Strada Abarths which belong to friends, one of which has been turbocharged. I remember back in the day he modified a Mk1 Uno Turbo lump and it was compared to another tuner's Uno Turbo. The one Guy modified had an extra 40bhp (209bhp) and it ran slightly less boost.

[fergus]

ask him about his waiting list though!

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coetzeeh said:

these guys are probably a bit OTT but never the less interesting stuff. http://www.formulagt.de/showroom/parts

If you are looking for a good TS engine drop me a PM.

Sent you a few emails without reply as yet?

[scottos]

Amac Engineering - Ask for Alistair and have a chat 01609 779600

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scottos said:

Amac Engineering - Ask for Alistair and have a chat 01609 779600

cheers for that, have struggled to even talk to people about options tbh. i did start a conversation with Guy Croft but it wasnt encouraging as such, in relation to building a 2 litre, he was sort of saying just stick with the 1600 cc in it and work with what you've got. surely someone somewhere can knock up a solid 2 litre nord which can make 160bhp without going pop lol

[fergus]

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cheers for that, have struggled to even talk to people about options tbh. i did start a conversation with Guy Croft but it wasnt encouraging as such, in relation to building a 2 litre, he was sort of saying just stick with the 1600 cc in it and work with what you've got. surely someone somewhere can knock up a solid 2 litre nord which can make 160bhp without going pop lol

Can you not have a go yourself? Some tidying up of the head, motronic pistons, and some decent cams will get you 99% of the way there, (on the std valves).