Would a dealer know when a cars been mapped.

Would a dealer know when a cars been mapped.

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joinery80

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544 posts

122 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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If a car is in a dealer for Warrenty work and the car is mapped. And it flags up. Does this tell them the date the car got mapped??
In other words the car could have been mapped by a previous owner at some stage?

SteBrown91

2,384 posts

129 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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On the latest vws from the past 3/4 years the ECU flags a TD1 (I think) code which means it has been tampered by a non VW system.

I imagine they would only check this for warranty work where a remap could void it (engine fault, gearbox etc) if you went in for warranty work on a knackered sat nav or faulty lights they probably wouldn’t check and couldn’t legally argue the remap could cause that fault.

joinery80

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544 posts

122 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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Is there any way they can tell when the car was mapped

MattS5

1,896 posts

191 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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Been here, got the tshirt.

Short story - bought approved used, been mapped prior to my ownership.
Went in for service, was told warranty void. They said I’d mapped it.
I was fortunate enough to locate the Revo dealer who had done the work, 8 months prior to my ownership.
I spoke with Audi Customer service and outlined the issue plus offered to provide invoices for the work to back up my innocence.

Main dealer replaced ECU, replaced supercharger and pulley.

Was a right pain in the arse, took 4 months to sort out.

joinery80

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544 posts

122 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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Wow you was lucky there mate.
My cars in a dealer at the moment. I had revo stage 1 but had it flashed back before going to dealership fingers crossed it will all be good

MattS5

1,896 posts

191 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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joinery80 said:
Wow you was lucky there mate.
My cars in a dealer at the moment. I had revo stage 1 but had it flashed back before going to dealership fingers crossed it will all be good
I’d not say it was luck, more persistent than anything else.

When i asked them to see if they could check the date stamp of any remap on the ECU they (the dealer) said it was showing as June 2016. Which is when I kicked off......I’d owned it since Jan 16 and I knew I’d not done it.

From further research, there is a flash count on the ECU, so even if you’ve had it flashed back, it will still log as being flashed twice.
You might get lucky, they might not check for historical data if it’s not engine or transmission related.
What’s the work it’s in for?

joinery80

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544 posts

122 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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Starter motor ceased and misfiring

MattS5

1,896 posts

191 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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I can’t see how they could repudiate a claim for that issue even if they know it’s remapped.

joinery80

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544 posts

122 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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I am keeping everything crossed mate.
Or its gonna cost me

cat with a hat

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118 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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MattS5 said:
I can’t see how they could repudiate a claim for that issue even if they know it’s remapped.
I agree, they will be taking the piss if they try to reject that.

silentbrown

8,827 posts

116 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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joinery80 said:
Starter motor ceased and misfiring
Can't see starter motor warranty being affected by a remap. Misfiring is another matter altogether. Maybe just a coil pack. Fingers crossed for you anyway!

Amazed that they don't check TD1 flags on approved used (or, indeed, on trade-ins/lease returns!).


joinery80

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544 posts

122 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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Cheers guys I will post a update on here

talksthetorque

10,815 posts

135 months

Sunday 10th December 2017
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silentbrown said:
Amazed that they don't check TD1 flags on approved used (or, indeed, on trade-ins/lease returns!).

Perhaps they do, and then when it comes in for warranty work they try and bullst their way out of it.
MattS5 said:
When i asked them to see if they could check the date stamp of any remap on the ECU they (the dealer) said it was showing as June 2016. Which is when I kicked off......I’d owned it since Jan 16 and I knew I’d not done it.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Monday 11th December 2017
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MattS5 said:
I’d not say it was luck, more persistent than anything else.

When i asked them to see if they could check the date stamp of any remap on the ECU they (the dealer) said it was showing as June 2016. Which is when I kicked off......I’d owned it since Jan 16 and I knew I’d not done it.

From further research, there is a flash count on the ECU, so even if you’ve had it flashed back, it will still log as being flashed twice.
You might get lucky, they might not check for historical data if it’s not engine or transmission related.
What’s the work it’s in for?
Yes there is a flash counter.
But it doesn't necessarily tell you what software it is.

Eg it may just be a later version of factory engine software.

My flash counter is something like 43 smile

pavarotti1980

4,895 posts

84 months

Monday 11th December 2017
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xjay1337 said:
Yes there is a flash counter.
But it doesn't necessarily tell you what software it is.

Eg it may just be a later version of factory engine software.

My flash counter is something like 43 smile
So based on that it could just be the dealer and manufacturer trying to pull a fast one for warranty claims

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Monday 11th December 2017
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You can use software to tell it's OEM (IE if it matches software that exists on VW's database already).
Basically checksums.