Michelin PS4s - QF
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Hi - about to need my second set of tyres. Stuck Corsas back on last February, but with winter around the corner, planning to swap for the Pilot Sport 4S.
Toyed with it last Feb, but very few runners had tried them so stuck with what I knew....but I know there are now a few QFs that have had them for a few months....thoughts/experiences?
Dry/Wet. Steering feel/feedback?
TIA!
Toyed with it last Feb, but very few runners had tried them so stuck with what I knew....but I know there are now a few QFs that have had them for a few months....thoughts/experiences?
Dry/Wet. Steering feel/feedback?
TIA!
Huge thread here: https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-giulia/104674...
and here: https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-giulia/117056... (which you may have started?)
I will be changing mine to PS4S (255/295) as soon as I can justify it (only have 4000 km on the Corsas), as I don't feel very confident in their wet weather performance and the scrubbing from the front when turning is driving me nuts.
and here: https://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/alfa-giulia/117056... (which you may have started?)
I will be changing mine to PS4S (255/295) as soon as I can justify it (only have 4000 km on the Corsas), as I don't feel very confident in their wet weather performance and the scrubbing from the front when turning is driving me nuts.
smarty156 said:
4 degrees Celsius last night and no skipping with the PS4S. Also no traction issues from cold whereas the Corsas, even in 12 degrees Celsius would slide all over the place until they warmed up.
This is what I don't always understand....I get bad skipping in cold, wet weather. But I've never had them 'sliding all over the place', even last winter in sub-zero.Still, set on going PS4S now. Did you go 245 or 255 up front?
Ares said:
This is what I don't always understand....I get bad skipping in cold, wet weather. But I've never had them 'sliding all over the place', even last winter in sub-zero.
Still, set on going PS4S now. Did you go 245 or 255 up front?
I'm talking about when you're flooring it, not just trundling about. I bought it so I could drive it quickly where safe and sensible but the tyres were the restricting factor in the cold. If people are happy to buy a high performance car and drive it slowly because the tyres struggle for grip (as I had to do after trying to drive it quickly) then fine. I'm not. With the PS4Ss in dry cold weather they have almost as much grip as when it's warm and dry so you can use the performance for more of the time. You'll soon see what I mean once you get the Michelins on.Still, set on going PS4S now. Did you go 245 or 255 up front?
I stuck with 245 fronts. Plenty of front end grip and handling as originally designed so no need to change.
Just to add, the sliding all over the place was when trying to keep up with a mate in a 2 litre diesel Tiguan with 240bhp. When cold out leaving cinema late at night he would shoot off up the road and I would try with the Corsas on but in N the traction control would constantly be killing the power, in D the rear would be sliding all over the place before TC caught it and Race was a real no go. Subsequently I would have to be a lot gentler on the throttle and only use part of the performance. Now, even in colder temperatures, doing the same thing just results in the car gripping and going, even in Race. So much better.
Having a 255 option in my opinion is pointless. If it's cheaper for 255s then that's a plus, but performance wise they'll be a tad negative on a rwd car due to the additional movement in the front tyre under heavy cornering. The negatives won't be noticeable to the everyday driver but they've definitely got no bonuses over the 245 tyres.
As for the rear, performance wise you're actually best to go for the 275 width as they measure closer to the Pirelli Corsa 285s. The 295 is more like 300 in comparison. But, having tracked both tyres the 295 is impeccable and my choice over the Corsas every time.
As for the rear, performance wise you're actually best to go for the 275 width as they measure closer to the Pirelli Corsa 285s. The 295 is more like 300 in comparison. But, having tracked both tyres the 295 is impeccable and my choice over the Corsas every time.
ecain63 said:
Having a 255 option in my opinion is pointless. If it's cheaper for 255s then that's a plus, but performance wise they'll be a tad negative on a rwd car due to the additional movement in the front tyre under heavy cornering. The negatives won't be noticeable to the everyday driver but they've definitely got no bonuses over the 245 tyres.
As for the rear, performance wise you're actually best to go for the 275 width as they measure closer to the Pirelli Corsa 285s. The 295 is more like 300 in comparison. But, having tracked both tyres the 295 is impeccable and my choice over the Corsas every time.
255s are cheaper, but only by a fiver so negligible.As for the rear, performance wise you're actually best to go for the 275 width as they measure closer to the Pirelli Corsa 285s. The 295 is more like 300 in comparison. But, having tracked both tyres the 295 is impeccable and my choice over the Corsas every time.
The argument I was given for the 255 is to keep the ratio the same as the rears.
This is my dilemma, about fitting 255's to the front. I've just fitted mps4s 295's to my rears, my front corsa's are still 4mm and I thought a waste to change them so soon. And I was using a new garage so wanted to see how they were fitting just 2.
But I definitely notice the fronts corsa's knocking like mad on full lock now the temp has dropped. Seems much worse than what they were new when I picked the car up in Jan this year.
The funny thing I am also noticing now is the fronts cant always keep up with the rears when I floor it. I can feel them skipping a bit. And I'm also getting the back stepping out just a tad when booting it off roundabouts. Maybe see how they are after more miles as only just literally broken them in at 500miles. Never had that with the corsa's even at 3mm.
But I definitely notice the fronts corsa's knocking like mad on full lock now the temp has dropped. Seems much worse than what they were new when I picked the car up in Jan this year.
The funny thing I am also noticing now is the fronts cant always keep up with the rears when I floor it. I can feel them skipping a bit. And I'm also getting the back stepping out just a tad when booting it off roundabouts. Maybe see how they are after more miles as only just literally broken them in at 500miles. Never had that with the corsa's even at 3mm.
Ares said:
ecain63 said:
Having a 255 option in my opinion is pointless. If it's cheaper for 255s then that's a plus, but performance wise they'll be a tad negative on a rwd car due to the additional movement in the front tyre under heavy cornering. The negatives won't be noticeable to the everyday driver but they've definitely got no bonuses over the 245 tyres.
As for the rear, performance wise you're actually best to go for the 275 width as they measure closer to the Pirelli Corsa 285s. The 295 is more like 300 in comparison. But, having tracked both tyres the 295 is impeccable and my choice over the Corsas every time.
255s are cheaper, but only by a fiver so negligible.As for the rear, performance wise you're actually best to go for the 275 width as they measure closer to the Pirelli Corsa 285s. The 295 is more like 300 in comparison. But, having tracked both tyres the 295 is impeccable and my choice over the Corsas every time.
The argument I was given for the 255 is to keep the ratio the same as the rears.
moffspeed said:
Just a heads up that Michelin are doing one of their money back offers on 17/18/19 inch Michelins at the mo - so you can budget for £25 off quoted price per corner if you go for PS4s..
Not much good for my Fulvia HF but just done the deal on the wife's SLK...
Roughly what's the damage for a full set of PS4s then for a QV? Looking at buying one shortly and happy to invest in a new set of tyres as taking it easy on the Pirellis all through a British winter would be deeply frustrating. Not much good for my Fulvia HF but just done the deal on the wife's SLK...
bagsofsmoke said:
moffspeed said:
Just a heads up that Michelin are doing one of their money back offers on 17/18/19 inch Michelins at the mo - so you can budget for £25 off quoted price per corner if you go for PS4s..
Not much good for my Fulvia HF but just done the deal on the wife's SLK...
Roughly what's the damage for a full set of PS4s then for a QV? Looking at buying one shortly and happy to invest in a new set of tyres as taking it easy on the Pirellis all through a British winter would be deeply frustrating. Not much good for my Fulvia HF but just done the deal on the wife's SLK...
You can get the PS4s marginally cheaper, but I couldn't find a source that will qualify for the £100 back. There are also a scarce number of the rears available currently.
ecain63 said:
£820 for a set of PS4S (not PS4).
Look for Ben Patey on Facebook
Interesting. Is he an official stockist? i.e., to get the £100 back from Michelin?Look for Ben Patey on Facebook
And is that fitted etc? (and where?)
I could get for £790 from a non-official stockist, or £783 mail order.
As it is, it'll end up costing me £786 for the 4 tyres, and they are fitted by a stockist 200yrds from my office.
Ares said:
Interesting. Is he an official stockist? i.e., to get the £100 back from Michelin?
And is that fitted etc? (and where?)
I could get for £790 from a non-official stockist, or £783 mail order.
As it is, it'll end up costing me £786 for the 4 tyres, and they are fitted by a stockist 200yrds from my office.
No, not official. And fitting is on top. Reliable service though And is that fitted etc? (and where?)
I could get for £790 from a non-official stockist, or £783 mail order.
As it is, it'll end up costing me £786 for the 4 tyres, and they are fitted by a stockist 200yrds from my office.
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