Buying First Classic Alfa - help!

Buying First Classic Alfa - help!

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jonesey

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675 posts

195 months

Tuesday 29th September 2020
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Despite never having driven one, for a while I have been saving to buy either a Giulia 105/115 Coupe or Giulia Super saloon. The use will be purely for Sunday jaunts, pub runs and the odd show etc.

I've very little knowledge at this point around the differences between, for example, a 1300 Junior or a GTV, a Super or a Ti and was hoping somebody might be able to point me towards the best resources so I can continue my research and figure out what route I'm going to go down.

At the moment, I've switched to favoring the 4 door Super.

Any insights, warnings or help would be very gratefully received.

Many thanks

waynedear

2,173 posts

167 months

Thursday 1st October 2020
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My mate has both a 105 coupe and a ti saloon, there is just something about the 4 door I prefer, probably my fave saloon ever.

chrisr29

1,250 posts

197 months

Friday 2nd October 2020
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Prefer the coupes myself. Whatever you do, get it inspected by someone who knows these things inside out as they rust for fun and there are plenty of over priced dogs out there with bad resto jobs.

Great cars generally, easy to work on and excellent spares availability.



Scalino

121 posts

89 months

Friday 2nd October 2020
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First of all, excellent choice! Though I might be a bit biased, owning both a saloon (1600 Ti) and a coupe (1300 Junior stepnose).

This is a good site for the visual differences: https://alfa-giulia.wixsite.com/alfa-giulia. Also AlfaBB has a treasure trove of information, also on what to look out for when buying (yes rust).

In short a Ti has a single carb and a Super double carbs, both in 1300 and 1600. All coupes are double carbs, with either 1300 (GT Junior), 1600 (GT Sprint, GT Sprint Veloce and GT Junior), 1750 (GTV) and 2000 (GTV). Prices very widely between these, with 1300 being the ‘cheapest’ option in both body shapes.

coetzeeh

2,647 posts

236 months

Friday 2nd October 2020
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Suggest you lock your cheque book away before you watch this. One of my favorite clips.

Turn up the volume.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2yhdU3DYYU


velocemitch

3,808 posts

220 months

Friday 2nd October 2020
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If you do Facebook the AROC 105 register group is worth joining. Lots of knowledge on there and usually quickly given.
As you will have noticed the saloons are cheaper than the coupe but there are fewer around and parts supply not quite as good.

arguti

1,774 posts

186 months

jonesey

Original Poster:

675 posts

195 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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Thanks for all of the replies- some very useful insights and resources there.

It seems (naturally) that Italy and the Netherlands turn up some nice examples so I’ll be widening my search- I’ll keep this updated.

Any more insights, please do go ahead. I’m almost certain the saloon is the one for me.


coetzeeh

2,647 posts

236 months

Saturday 3rd October 2020
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jonesey said:
Thanks for all of the replies- some very useful insights and resources there.

It seems (naturally) that Italy and the Netherlands turn up some nice examples so I’ll be widening my search- I’ll keep this updated.

Any more insights, please do go ahead. I’m almost certain the saloon is the one for me.
100% Saloon. Such understated cars, same mechanicals as the coupe, and the handling is arguably better due to the slightly longer wheel base..

For many years I was focussed on coupe's only. My Super is far from perfect but I have bonded with the car.

Netherlands would be my "go to" market if LHD is not an issue.Huge following out there.



ghgunning

44 posts

79 months

Sunday 4th October 2020
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I've got a 105 saloon, bought from auction as my first car. And bloody hell. Get that thing on some country roads. Twisting and turning. F me I'm a happy chap.

Great fun car. Almost every other time I stop for fuel I'll get someone to come up to me in the petrol station saying they used to have one back in the day.

Plenty of smiles and thumbs up around town. As well as a good dose of people peering round the front of the car to try work out what it is (personally love that it's fairly discrete).

As ever, rust. Usual spots, sills and doors. If you're seeing it on the outside it'll be even worse on the middle and inner sills.

Also the Italian electrics have landed me with a big bill so tread carefully there. Mechanically though she hasn't missed a beat in 4 years.

Looking forward to seeing yours

jonesey

Original Poster:

675 posts

195 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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This is exactly what I had imagined I’d hear and it’s great that these anecdotes continue popping up. My misty eyed visions of keeping one on the boil down my favorite roads and then taking the family to the pub or tinkering in the garage seem well placed here!

Thanks for the heads up on bills- I’ve run and modified a 911 (albeit the “ugly” one) for a few years so I’m no stranger to heart over head spending.

Any pics?

coetzeeh

2,647 posts

236 months

Monday 5th October 2020
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LFB531

1,233 posts

158 months

Tuesday 6th October 2020
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This was my '72 Super, I used it to cut my teeth in historic road rallying before I did it pretty terminal damage on the Abergwesyn mountain road in mid Wales.



It came as a 1570cc with twin Solex side draught carbs, rules meant I had to go to a single twin choke Solex for night events, it still went just fine though. Harvey Bailey supplied a front anti-roll bar and I tightened up the damping a bit. I added a separate loom for all the rally nonsense and a bigger alternator.

Perfect colour for getting dirty too!

Just so much fun to drive, enjoyed every minute of ownership (apart from the last bit!)

Scalino

121 posts

89 months

Tuesday 6th October 2020
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If you’re keen on doing some DIY, you can really run these for not a lot of money. This is on the presumption you buy a solid one that won’t need bodywork of course...

jonesey

Original Poster:

675 posts

195 months

Wednesday 7th October 2020
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coetzeeh said:
Wanna sell it mister?

AMGSee55

633 posts

102 months

Wednesday 7th October 2020
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velocemitch said:
If you do Facebook the AROC 105 register group is worth joining. Lots of knowledge on there and usually quickly given.
As you will have noticed the saloons are cheaper than the coupe but there are fewer around and parts supply not quite as good.
There are specific groups on FB also for 105 Giulias/Berlinas and for the 105 GTVs etc. I am a member of the former and it is invaluable in terms of advice and support, which could include finding a suitable car in your case. Mine here pictured at Stonor Park in Henley recently - it was the subject of a Carpool feature a while back which you might find a useful read.


AMGSee55

633 posts

102 months

Thursday 8th October 2020
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This FB group in particular will suit your purposes well, as it's got as many Dutch members as UK or elsewhere - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Giulia.Berlina/

Castrol for a knave

4,667 posts

91 months

Thursday 8th October 2020
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Alfa BB is a good web resource

https://www.alfabb.com/forums/#alfa-romeo-producti...

For general 105 stuff, Jethro Bronner's You Tube channel is great

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0fSgL1geSF5L7GSh...

I would second joining AROC and getting on the 105 register - they also have an active Facebook page.

The Alfa Romeo Owners' Club UK 105/115 Guilia Register Facebook page is a friendly resource.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/950487368385557/

coetzeeh

2,647 posts

236 months

Thursday 8th October 2020
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jonesey said:
coetzeeh said:
Wanna sell it mister?
She has a few rusty spots 😳 so maybe not the car for you.

sunbeam alpine

6,941 posts

188 months

Thursday 8th October 2020
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IMO the 4-door Giulia drives better than the coupé. My advice would be to go for the best 4-door Giulia 1600 you can find. The 1300 & 1600 engines are more "revvy" than the 1750 and 2 litre models, but the 1300 is a bit underpowered (still good fun on B-roads though!).

Add an Alfaholics fast road kit, and you'll have a blast. As others have said, good bodywork is everything - all the oily bits can be sorted at a reasonable price, especially if you can do it yourself.