Lord Carey in epic homophobic Godwin outburst

Lord Carey in epic homophobic Godwin outburst

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JonRB

74,402 posts

271 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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Personally I am against two men wanting to enter into a long-term, loving, serious, meaningful commitment to each other in order to maintain the sanctity of the 55-hour "just for fun" marriage that Britney Spears had.

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dodgyviper

1,197 posts

237 months

Friday 12th October 2012
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TallbutBuxomly said:
Steve the problem here is no one said the gay couple had to live by the Christian couple rules nor the churches.

The Christian couple did not try perform an exorcism on them or tie them to a stake and set fire to them nor as I understand it did they hurl personal insults or try convert them to Christianity.

All they did was politely apologise and decline to host them due to their religious beliefs and offer to find them alternate accommodation.

There's a big difference between trying to force your beliefs on others and simply being polite but sticking to your religious beliefs.
The owners entered into a legal contract to provide a service to the couple. If they're going to turn people away then they're in the wrong business.

You cannot hide bigotry behind a religous belief - to allow such is to validate every minority supremecy group on the planet - for they all BELIEVE they are supreme.

Calling a belief religous, does not give you automatic righteousness.


They operated a business that would eventually put them into a compromised position - this was inevitable and entirely of there own making.

No sympathy and well done to the gay couple for standing up for themselves

Caulkhead

4,938 posts

156 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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dodgyviper said:
The owners entered into a legal contract to provide a service to the couple. If they're going to turn people away then they're in the wrong business.

You cannot hide bigotry behind a religous belief - to allow such is to validate every minority supremecy group on the planet - for they all BELIEVE they are supreme.
I presume you'll be at the forefront of the campaign to force muslim run curry houses and Jewish delis to serve pork curry and bacon sandwiches then?

tubbystu

3,846 posts

259 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Caulkhead said:
I presume you'll be at the forefront of the campaign to force muslim run curry houses and Jewish delis to serve pork curry and bacon sandwiches then?
Err, no.

Muslim curry & Jewish deli's do not sell pork products.

Hoteliers provide rooms, to however turns up.

It is in the relevant legislation. Period.

Caulkhead

4,938 posts

156 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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tubbystu said:
Caulkhead said:
I presume you'll be at the forefront of the campaign to force muslim run curry houses and Jewish delis to serve pork curry and bacon sandwiches then?
Err, no.

Muslim curry & Jewish deli's do not sell pork products.

Hoteliers provide rooms, to however turns up.

It is in the relevant legislation. Period.
Err, yes - muslim take aways and jewish delis serve food and choose to limit their customer base by only serving food that they believe their religion approves of. The B&B owners provide accomodation but choose to limit their customer base by only accomodating people that they believe their religion approves of.

One rule for all please and if you can't argue like a grown up without abusive emoticons, why bother? Full stop. smile

tubbystu

3,846 posts

259 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Caulkhead said:
One rule for all please and if you can't argue like a grown up without abusive emoticons, why bother? Full stop. smile
The law/licensing regarding provision of hotel accommodation is specific regarding who you can and cannot let rooms too. The b&b couple were simply in breach of that law.

Pappa Lurve

3,827 posts

281 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Caulkhead said:
dodgyviper said:
The owners entered into a legal contract to provide a service to the couple. If they're going to turn people away then they're in the wrong business.

You cannot hide bigotry behind a religous belief - to allow such is to validate every minority supremecy group on the planet - for they all BELIEVE they are supreme.
I presume you'll be at the forefront of the campaign to force muslim run curry houses and Jewish delis to serve pork curry and bacon sandwiches then?
Which is much like saying that a pizza place should legally be forced to sell burgers, or indeed any restaurant should legally be required to sell all possible dishes and food stuffs. If you take your argument to its logical conclusion, Tescos would have to sell pretty much every product legal in the UK. Critically, if a gay couple turn up at a establishment which is open to the public, even if a Kosher or Halal restaurant or run by people who are religiously observant, then the couple have every right to eat there and order what the establishment offers. Same if a Muslim goes to a Kosher restaurant for example.

Right, back to the GP qualy :-)

Bill

52,485 posts

254 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Caulkhead said:
Err, yes - muslim take aways and jewish delis serve food and choose to limit their customer base by only serving food that they believe their religion approves of. The B&B owners provide accomodation but choose to limit their customer base by only accomodating people that they believe their religion approves of.

One rule for all please and if you can't argue like a grown up without abusive emoticons, why bother? Full stop. smile
Do they refuse to serve anyone based on their religion, colour, sexuality or taste for bacon? No.

They also don't serve fish and chips.

Chippist.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Some of the analogies above are confusing the product sold and a refusal to sell the product to some people on grounds of their attributes.

A Kiosher deli does not have to sell sell pork, but will not refuse to sell its products to Gentiles.


Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

245 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Breadvan72 said:
A Kosher deli does not have to sell sell pork, but will not refuse to sell its products to Gentiles.
Yeah, but a lot of ordinary schools in UK are making ALL the pupils eat Halal meat.

I guess you'd probably like to see a few teenage boys in the corridors whey they photograph the F1 drivers walk through after a race victory. No what the hell, make them all teenage boys. And pretty ones too.

tubbystu

3,846 posts

259 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
I guess you'd probably like to see a few teenage boys in the corridors whey they photograph the F1 drivers walk through after a race victory. No what the hell, make them all teenage boys. And pretty ones too.
If Bangkok ever gets a GP your wish might just come true - but would you be able to tell biggrin

Bill

52,485 posts

254 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Yeah, but a lot of ordinary schools in UK are making ALL the pupils eat Halal meat.

I guess you'd probably like to see a few teenage boys in the corridors whey they photograph the F1 drivers walk through after a race victory. No what the hell, make them all teenage boys. And pretty ones too.
See those straws? The ones you're holding...

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

241 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Yeah, but a lot of ordinary schools in UK are making ALL the pupils eat Halal meat.

I guess you'd probably like to see a few teenage boys in the corridors whey they photograph the F1 drivers walk through after a race victory. No what the hell, make them all teenage boys. And pretty ones too.
That wouldn't normally appeal, but I read an article about Oscar Wilde the other day, which mentioned (whisper it..) the gay .

Now we all know how contagious it is, so although I don't feel any different, I've almost certainly caught it from that one, tainted, insidious, paragraph.

Bring on the pretty boys, I say. Coo, and indeed, eee.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Breadvan72 said:
A Kosher deli does not have to sell sell pork, but will not refuse to sell its products to Gentiles.
Yeah, but a lot of ordinary schools in UK are making ALL the pupils eat Halal meat.

I guess you'd probably like to see a few teenage boys in the corridors whey they photograph the F1 drivers walk through after a race victory. No what the hell, make them all teenage boys. And pretty ones too.
Ozzie Osmond now resorts to what he thinks are insults, so revealing the crude homophobia that underlies his position. He thinks it's an insult to suggest that someone is gay. I don't, so the jibe falls flat.

Pappa Lurve

3,827 posts

281 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Justayellowbadge said:
That wouldn't normally appeal, but I read an article about Oscar Wilde the other day, which mentioned (whisper it..) the gay .

Now we all know how contagious it is, so although I don't feel any different, I've almost certainly caught it from that one, tainted, insidious, paragraph.

Bring on the pretty boys, I say. Coo, and indeed, eee.
rofl

Colonial

13,553 posts

204 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:
Yeah, but a lot of ordinary schools in UK are making ALL the pupils eat Halal meat.

I guess you'd probably like to see a few teenage boys in the corridors whey they photograph the F1 drivers walk through after a race victory. No what the hell, make them all teenage boys. And pretty ones too.
What a laughable and pathetic attempt.

I thought you were better than that.

TallbutBuxomly

12,254 posts

215 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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To be fair I don't blame OO since much worse insults are and have hurled by others on here. Its almost funny how the seemingly liberal brigade in any given situation when confronted by people with opposing views resort to belittlement and insults rather than simply engage in adult discussion or debate.

Its deeply frustrating.

Why doesn't everyone on here and this forum simply accept that people have differing views and treat each other with a bit of respect and courtesy as it really costs nothing.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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It's OO who has resorted to attempted but ineffectual insults here. More generally, I am often surprised by how many people on PH can't handle sarcasm, which to me is a legitimate tool of debate, and is not the same as name calling.

stackmonkey

5,077 posts

248 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Ozzie Osmond said:

I guess you'd probably like to see a few teenage boys in the corridors whey they photograph the F1 drivers walk through after a race victory. No what the hell, make them all teenage boys. And pretty ones too.
Damn right!!
As suggested, get some stunning looking lady boys with the usual pit girls, a few hunky teen lads and then pretty much everyone will happy about something!

TallbutBuxomly

12,254 posts

215 months

Saturday 13th October 2012
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Breadvan72 said:
It's OO who has resorted to attempted but ineffectual insults here. More generally, I am often surprised by how many people on PH can't handle sarcasm, which to me is a legitimate tool of debate, and is not the same as name calling.
Breadvan OO and myself and others have been accused of being homophobic bigoted etc etc since we started trying to discuss the merits of gay marriage.

That is not sarcasm that is simple outright insults which are imo not necessary or helpful in an adult debate likewise I feel that sarcasm has no benefit to an adult discussion as it is a form of insult.

If I someone asks a stupid question or makes a stupid comment in a lighthearted chat and someone points it out with sarcasm then that's fine. But when trying to have a serious discussion all it does is serve to annoy and wind people up and make the person being sarcastic look childish, petty and incapable of reasoned discussion.