Alternatives to Banham locks

[Deep]

Hi

I'm in the process of having a new timber door and frame made and will need new locks. Banham is the obvious choice but I've heard and read some less than favourable reports on their after sales support if there is a problem. As a result I'd like another option.

I'll need a night latch and a mortice lock.

So, which other brands are as well or better built than Banham?


Thanks very much


(I know that security is about much more than just the locks you fit but this question is specifically about locks please)

[The Moose]

I've had great after-sales service from Banham...if you have the gold card! My last first hand interaction was towards the end of last year.

Works really well if in London or if you are near one of their shops.

[Deep]

The Moose said:

I've had great after-sales service from Banham...if you have the gold card! My last first hand interaction was towards the end of last year.

Works really well if in London or if you are near one of their shops.

I'm actually not that far from one of their shops. How does one get the 'gold card'?


Cheers

[hyphen]

You get the gold card when you buy the locks (Its an ID to show you are the owner of them).

I fitted them myself and bought more for the aesthetics than any 'extra security' thoughts. You would think most reputable brands will be fine.

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 1st June 13:53

[Rosscow]

Deep said:

Hi

I'm in the process of having a new timber door and frame made and will need new locks. Banham is the obvious choice but I've heard and read some less than favourable reports on their after sales support if there is a problem. As a result I'd like another option.

I'll need a night latch and a mortice lock.

So, which other brands are as well or better built than Banham?


Thanks very much


(I know that security is about much more than just the locks you fit but this question is specifically about locks please)

Do you really want to go with the old fashioned night latch and dead lock option?

There are better alternatives available in my opinion.

[Deep]

hyphen said:

You get the gold card when you buy the locks (Its an ID to show you are the owner of them).

I fitted them myself and bought more for the aesthetics than any 'extra security' thoughts. You would think most reputable brands will be fine.

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 1st June 13:53

Thanks

[Deep]

Rosscow said:

Do you really want to go with the old fashioned night latch and dead lock option?

There are better alternatives available in my opinion.

Hi Ross

Could you please point me in the direction of the better alternatives?

Thanks very much

[Deep]

Hi Ross

Could you elaborate with regards to your earlier comment?

Cheers

[Ashtray83]

Have you thought about having a multipoint lock fitted?
I have done a couple in new doors and frames on site you may struggle to fine someone to do it on site but if your having the door made the joiners would be better suited to fit
Although then you are in the euro lock debate then
I do like the nightlight and deadbolt combo there normally the hardest to open

[Rosscow]

Deep said:

Hi Ross

Could you elaborate with regards to your earlier comment?

Cheers

Apologies, busy weekend!

Night-latches and deadlocks are fine, but invariably during the day you tend to leave the door just shut on the night latch, and I'm sure at times during the night you'll either forget or not bother to lock the deadlock. This may also happen when you go out - shut the door and go without double locking.

If you went for something like the Winkhaus AV2 Heritage lock, then the door will always be secured by a minimum of 3 points - the centre latch, and the 2 hooks that engage automatically. You don't need to do anything - just shut the door and they throw themselves. You can then also throw an additional dead bolt if you go out or at night.

https://www.winkhaus.com/en-gb/door-locks/mechanic...

The heritage version gives a high key point so looks very similar to a traditional night latch key position.

It does bring you into the Euro cylinder discussion, I would recommend an Ultion cylinder with an internal thumb turn.

[hyphen]

Looks good- does it have a night-latch like option to pop the lock out to stop door closing? for times when you don't have the key on you and want to do something quickly in front garden without getting locked out.

[Deep]

Rosscow said:

Apologies, busy weekend!

Night-latches and deadlocks are fine, but invariably during the day you tend to leave the door just shut on the night latch, and I'm sure at times during the night you'll either forget or not bother to lock the deadlock. This may also happen when you go out - shut the door and go without double locking.

If you went for something like the Winkhaus AV2 Heritage lock, then the door will always be secured by a minimum of 3 points - the centre latch, and the 2 hooks that engage automatically. You don't need to do anything - just shut the door and they throw themselves. You can then also throw an additional dead bolt if you go out or at night.

https://www.winkhaus.com/en-gb/door-locks/mechanic...

The heritage version gives a high key point so looks very similar to a traditional night latch key position.

It does bring you into the Euro cylinder discussion, I would recommend an Ultion cylinder with an internal thumb turn.

Thanks Ross

I've actually just changed my euro profile locks on my bifold doors, side door and side gate for the ultion. It's great because they are keyed alike so I'm no longer searching for the various different keys!


Would the Winkhaus system meet the usual insurance criteria?



Thanks very much

Edited by Deep on Monday 5th June 18:03

Edited by Deep on Monday 5th June 18:05

[hyphen]

Deep said:

Thanks Ross

I've actually just changed my euro profile locks on my bifold doors, side door and side gate for the ultion. It's great because they are keyed alike so I'm no longer searching for the various different keys!

I actually said no to keyed alike for the front.

Yes it is two keys to turn all the time, but I figured I could give only one to any builders/other workers, so I didn't have to worry if they lost the key/had a pickey apprentice.

[Deep]

hyphen said:

I actually said no to keyed alike for the front.

Yes it is two keys to turn all the time, but I figured I could give only one to any builders/other workers, so I didn't have to worry if they lost the key/had a pickey apprentice.

I had thought the same thing myself actually, there are pros and cons to having all the doors keyed alike.

Did you have any issues with your home insurance company with regards to having a euro profile lock on the front door?

Cheers

[Rosscow]

hyphen said:

Looks good- does it have a night-latch like option to pop the lock out to stop door closing? for times when you don't have the key on you and want to do something quickly in front garden without getting locked out.

Yes - it's new for this year.

http://www.coastal-group.com/VOGUE-Automatic-Premi...

[hyphen]

Thanks Ross, an option worth considering next time I need a lock.

Deep said:

I had thought the same thing myself actually, there are pros and cons to having all the doors keyed alike.

Did you have any issues with your home insurance company with regards to having a euro profile lock on the front door?

Cheers

When I moved into the house it had old locks on doors and window, so on the house insurance online quote form options I just ticked no to approved locks and haven't changed it since as insurance isn't much.

Will do at some point but shouldn't matter- the Banham deadlock is British Standard and Insurance Approved- they are to be found on most period doors of houses in posh parts of London, and also on Foreign Embassy buildings so doubt an insurance concern.

[martduff5]

Hi guys

Sorry to resurrect an old post but I'm looking for high end locks for our original Georgian front door. We used Balham when we lived in London but now we're in Bristol; does anyone know of a similar quality lock manufacturer and also whether they have a similar gold card service?

[Ashtray83]

martduff5 said:

Hi guys

Sorry to resurrect an old post but I'm looking for high end locks for our original Georgian front door. We used Balham when we lived in London but now we're in Bristol; does anyone know of a similar quality lock manufacturer and also whether they have a similar gold card service?

Would recommend a chat with the chaps at GemSec that know there stuff

[astroarcadia]

I have something from this range fitted into a timber door. The benefit of a traditional timber door but with good security.

https://www.tesa.es/Other/Tesa/PDF/Mecánica%2...