CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 9)

[Harrison Bergeron]

RSTurboPaul said:

And what is the cost of Project Moonst, whether called that or rolled out under the cover of testing schools, unis, workplaces...?

£100bn per year to find people with zero symptoms?

That's definitely better value for money than saving breast cancer victims.

What about brain tumours?
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/con...

What a fking farce.

[danllama]

i4got said:

danllama said:

Dromedary66 said:

Police: STOP HAVING FUN NOW!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-56039285

lol dheads.

From Sunday to today the hills where i live have been busy with people sledging. I've been twice myself. Maybe they need to accept the stupid rules are unenforceable with a population of 67m.

I love the line "Covid regulations allow police to issue fines for organised gatherings but the rules do not apply for crowds consisting of individual households"

So basically the police wanted to issue fines but no-one was breaking the law so they couldn't.

it's pathetic isn't it?

[pocty]

isaldiri said:

pocty said:

Imagine my shock when old people start to die from old age rather than from Covid again.

Pocty

Well no one really will care if they are dying at 'normal' numbers of old age. The slight problem as you might have noticed is they are dropping dead at very high numbers well above the typical average with covid as the only reasonable denominator wherever you look around the world. If lots of excess deaths start happening due to old age that I admit might be a problem.....

Whats normal and also what is normal now post corona. If old people die from dementia and all the other illnesses but in the same number as of present then what do you think we should do. Do you really think that a majority of the 80 year olds we are saving from corona wont die of other illnesses within the next 12 months?

Pocty

[Slagathore]

funkyrobot said:

Saweep said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9254495/S...


"Up to 40% of Covid patients in hospital in first wave - around 36,000 - caught it AFTER being admitted as SAGE paper claims stopping spread in NHS trusts could have made a 'substantial' reduction in deaths"

Oops.

Stay at home. Save lives. Save yourself.

Why am I not surprised by this at all?

Our hospitals are filthy.

Will come as no surprise to many. But, of course, we still must worship the NHS.

I really hope people are brave enough to be critical of the NHS in this and that some actual proper change will come about.

https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/02/the...

I'm sure there may be many explanations for that, but it seems possible that 999 calls were down because so many infections were caught from people already in hospital? Or they were so high in the first wave because people stayed at home and got very ill before seeking treatment, then all end up calling 999? I'm not sure how community cases are admitted to hospital, I guess by 999 call? or are people in the 2nd wave turning up at A&E instead?

On a vaguely related note, something I've been thinking about for a while:

Does anyone know the current treatment for people ill with Covid? lots of stuff coming out saying early treatment with certain drugs etc have worked well. Has it evolved much as time has gone on?

But from what I remember back in the first wave, the instruction was to simply stay at home and see how it goes, wait until you were very ill, then call an ambulance? I don't recall any suggestions back then to treat people early when symptoms first displayed? I can understand that instruction in the first wave when there were so many unknowns and they didn't want to fill hospitals up with only mildly ill people who would likely make a full recovery, but for the older and vulnerable people, that early intervention would have been useful?

And did anything change as they learnt more about treatments etc, so going in to winter, were people being advised to seek medical attention earlier or after a positive test and obvious symptoms/illness? Even if it were just for the over 50s etc or people classed as vulnerable? Or was it the same, just see how you go at home and wait until you can't breathe before you call an ambulance?

I'm not trying to start an NHS pile-one, but just wondering if there are any similarities between the countries with high death tolls and the treatments they are using V other countries that are having better outcomes? Mainly in Europe, as even with Germany's recent blip, they are still very low down on deaths per million, so it would be good to know if they are treating people in the same way?

I assume NHS England or PHE or someone provide some sort of guidance to hospitals as and when new information occurs as to what treatments are effective and in what situations, or is it just down to however the doctor sees fit?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.28...

https://rcm.imrpress.com/article/2020/2153-8174/RC...

They're from this guy's twitter https://twitter.com/richardursomd - He posts some iffy stuff, but there's other studies out there showing similar. And there seems to be lots of doctors who have been adamant that using certain drugs early on works. And a lot of it seems to have been known for a while as well, it's just taken a bit of time to show it?

[isaldiri]

pocty said:

Do you really think that a majority of the 80 year olds we are saving from corona wont die of other illnesses within the next 12 months?

I'll turn the question round. I don't think it is at all likely the 70+k excess deaths of which a very large number were over 70s were people who would have died within 12 months otherwise without covid and the crapshow that followed.

[The Rotrex Kid]

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

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