New build deviating from plans…

New build deviating from plans…

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Toaster Pilot

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Currently in the process of buying a new build house from a national developer. Have exchanged contracts, house is at first fix.

They’ve installed a window that shouldn’t be there, removed it again and bricked it up, creating a “tax window” rather than removing all trace of it.

The plans show a window in that location for one plot on the site only and no mention of the surround being present on other plots.

It looks ste, to be frank.

What are my rights here? Do I need to just suck it up or can I force them to do it properly?

Yes, I know, all new builds are st etc.

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Jakg said:
Are you sure they've actually done that? A lot of new builds have this aesthetic feature by design.
I saw the window, yeah.

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shtu said:
Christ that's naff.

Tell them to put the window back in.
I’m guessing this is the one thing that isn’t an option since it wouldn’t comply with the planning.

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J6542 said:
Isn’t the whole gable a patchwork of different mortar colours?
I would be seriously worried about the standard of building work in the rest of the house if they are saying this is acceptable.
It looks more consistent in person (apart from the patch job which looks fking awful) - bearing in mind it won’t have been cleaned etc.

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Friday 10th February 2023
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worsy said:
Why does your plot not have the window OP? Is it close to it's neighbour?
As far as I can tell the intended design is without the window. The plot that DOES have the window has another window removed in the same room because of how it’s positioned relative to a neighbouring plot.

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Friday 10th February 2023
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GT9 said:
Is the new brickwork recessed at all?
That's the least they could do to make it look vaguely intentional.
Very slightly, it looks better when you’re standing a couple of feet away from it.

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Friday 10th February 2023
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Zarco said:
Wouldn't surprise me if the window fitters put a window in the opening by mistake. Especially if another house of the same layout has a window there.
I think it should’ve been built without the opening though!

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Friday 10th February 2023
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WelshRich said:
They should be able to remove the brick lintel and replace with stone

They may be able to replace and feather-in a few of the blocks to break up the outline of the ex-window

The mortar should weather to match the rest of the wall in time

Not perfect, but better than what they’ve currently done to try and fix it…
In fairness they’ve come back to me today and said this is what’s going to happen - I don’t know if that’s just because I’ve indicated I’m unhappy with it as it stands or that the current fix* was just temporary.

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Friday 10th February 2023
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Johnniem said:
OP, just wondering if you have looked at the planning portal on your local authority website to see what the 'approved plans' for your house actually show. You will at least be able to check that elevation and find out whether there is a window, or faux window, there in the approval document.

JM
There should be neither. They’ve agreed to restore the wall to how it should’ve been built in the first place which is plain - whilst some people seem to dislike that I think it’s better than this half arsed effort.

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Friday 10th February 2023
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blueg33 said:
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blueg33 said:
They fked that up! Idiots!

Crap site manager, crap brickies - can no one read a plan these days.

That sort of stuff is unacceptable in my business.
This. what about putting plans in for the window, you should get it.?
It will depend on overlooking I guess. Normally circa 22m window to window
I don’t think this would be an issue but as another poster said, it would mean the window would be in a daft place for the layout of furniture in the room. It’ll be better off without it (the plot that does have it loses one of the other windows in the same room)

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Friday 10th February 2023
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Promised Land said:
The brickies on that site must be on a good price per 1000 to lay those though, they look nice but look awkward to build.
They’ve not built many in these materials - the majority on the site so far are red brick or render.

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Friday 10th February 2023
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Murph7355 said:
Pretty much all the windows and their positioning would make my OCD itch.
What am I missing? They’re all as per the plan as far as I can tell.

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Saturday 11th February 2023
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Seems they can follow the plans sometimes - didn’t realise this one was at the stage it is


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Saturday 11th February 2023
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For context, this is the floorplan. Every room has a window in a fairly sensible place when you’re inside and I’m not sure a photo of the rear/side does it justice.

You’ll note that Bed 1 shows the offending window behind the headboard biggrin - this is subbed by a second side window opposite the one shown.


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Sunday 12th February 2023
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Mr Whippy said:
OP, how come you’ve bought a big expensive new build off plan?
A smaller, cheaper one didn’t provide what I wanted….

Not that I need to justify my choice to strangers on the internet obviously.

I often wonder if the “lol new builds are st M8” folk ever consider the fact that the vast majority of houses built over the past 100 years or so that aren’t one off Grand Designs style things can all be criticised for one reason or another?

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Monday 13th February 2023
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sociopath said:
Talking about new builds, they're a massive new estate near us, circa 500 houses all made with kleenex and spit, gone up in weeks and all look like they'll not be there in 30 years. There's also a couple of houses built by a local builder just down the road that we've watched them build. The difference is huge, built of brick and block, and done properly and carefully. I know which I'd buy for basically the same money
If you say so. The houses on this estate are also being built from brick and block, like most new houses are, so I’m not sure that’s an indicator of anything.

I bought a house from a “small local builder” a few years ago - they subbed everything out to the same useless dheads the big builders use but with less management/QC/aftersales.

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Saturday 18th February 2023
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AlmostUseful said:
There’s a lot of talk about poor workmanship and being unable to read a drawing, this is the only house of that style on site that doesn’t have a window on that table. It’s probably built to spec just fine, just with the wrong drawing. Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if the only difference is the window being in or not on the “standard non standard” housetype
There’s only one that does/should have a window there actually.

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Saturday 18th February 2023
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AlmostUseful said:
I’ll get back in my box then laugh

Still reckon it was just the wrong drawing used.
Yeah I agree, they’ve more or less said as such when discussing remedials.

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Tuesday 21st February 2023
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acer12 said:
Probably been said already but assume the window cut was there from the timber frame factory, so either an error at the production or delivered to the wrong plot? Nobody noticed until later down the line, then the pathetic effort to fix at lowest cost.

As other posters mentioned, doubt they would allow the window be fitted as it would deviate from the agreed energy rating.
What timber frame factory would that be? It’s block and stone.