RE: Driven: Audi S8

Thursday 13th October 2011

Driven: Audi S8

The V10's gone, but there are two turbos and a V8 - and a lot of performance - to help keep power-fiends happy



In a world where economies are struggling to tread water, sovereign debt crises are enveloping entire nations, and where fuel prices and swingeing taxation are making even the most ardent fossil-fuel fans just a teensy bit worried about green issues, cars like the new Audi S8 should not exist.

Nobody needs a 513bhp, 5.15-metre limousine capable of lunging from 0-62mph in 4.2secs. For a start, that sort of acceleration makes it hard for your average company director to focus on that morning's FT, pinned as they would be to the leather upholstery of the S8's rear seat. And besides, have you seen the pump-price of fuel? Surely every sensible chauffeur-driven chap makes sure his motor glides along on a pillow of economic turbodiesel efficiency?

Fortunately not. Sure, the vast majority of modern luxobarges do run on the black stuff, and there's nothing wrong with that. But for the chap (or chappess) who wants mighty performance from their executive express, and hang the logic of it, there are still a few choices: the 503bhp Jaguar XJ Supersport, the 536bhp Mercedes S63 AMG, or this, the 513bhp Audi S8.


And boy is there mighty performance here. A relatively light weight (1975kg doesn't make it the automotive equivalent of Twiggy, but it isn't bad for such a large car), and all that power, not to mention a wall of torque (479 lb ft of the stuff) that is with you for several thousand rpm, gives the S8 genuine near-supercar levels of straightline speed. It's astonishing when you compare it with the original S8's ability to muster just 360bhp and a 0-62mph sprint of 6.6secs.

But the S8 also sings for its supper in economical terms. Despite its prodigious pace, the fastest A8 manages a creditable 27.7mpg on the EU combined cycle. It does so courtesy of a bag of tricks that includes the conventional (a lowest-in-class drag coefficient of 0.28) and the innovative (as well as stop-start, the new 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 now has cylinder de-activation technology). It's clever stuff, this shutting down of cylinders: depending on how consistently or gently you're driving, and as long as you're running between 960 and 3500rpm, the S8 becomes a four-cylinder car. And Audi reckons this is worth a 10 per cent improvement in fuel economy during normal, everyday driving.


You don't want to be aware that this is happening, of course, so Audi counters the naturally more gruff tones of four-cylinder internal combustion with active engine mounts, and active noise cancellation via the sound system's sub-woofers. This effectively tricks you into hearing and feeling that you are running a super-quiet V8. It's as efficient as it is effective - to the extent that Audi's engineers felt the need to show us how good it is by demonstrating the effect of running the car without the active engine mounts and noise-cancellation trickery. Without that demo we would have been none-the-wiser to its effects. It's that effective.

The sharper PHers out there might also have noticed that we keep talking about V8s and turbos; for the new S8, the old V10 has been replaced by an all-new 4.0-litre twin-turbo motor. And very impressive it is. Apart from those stonking power figures, the new engine is also light (at 220kg) and compact (it's just 497mm long) and many of the ancillaries, including the exhaust manifold, turbos and intercooler, are nestled within the vee of the engine.


The effect of this on the S8's handling is notable. Yes, it will understeer in extremis but, as with its more humble A8 brethren, it feels surprisingly light on its toes for such a large car. the steering is nice, too, with a suitably meaty weight to it, and a firmness around the straight-ahead that helps to give the car a rock-steady motorway gait.

On twisty roads the S8 does a pretty impressive job of hiding its bulk. The sport differential metes power out to the rear wheels as you accelerate out of corners, and the quick steering helps it to feel nimble. It's pretty impressive stuff. The optional ceramic brakes can get overworked, though. They stop you well enough, but you can gather sufficient speed that prolonged, repeated heavy braking can cause more than a whiff of smoke to rise from the wheelarches - though even then you won't find any fade. But this is a two-tonne car; the laws of physics can be stretched, but they can't be beaten.

The Audi S8 is a fine bit of kit, then: it's fast, it's clever and it handles pretty well. And we haven't yet mentioned the truly lovely, cosseting interior. Or the price: the Audi starts from below £80k, whereas a Merc S63 AMG won't leave you change from £112,000.


And yet somehow the S8 doesn't quite make sense. If you really want performance and grin-inducing fun from your fast saloon then you'll probably down the route of something like an M5 (or possibly wait and see if Audi makes an RS6), because the S8, despite its manifest capabilities, j¬ust doesn't feel quite sporty enough. It's only little things: the gearbox occasionally putting you in too relaxed a gear out of a slow corner, the sense that, even under full acceleration, the trick V8 doesn't sound quite beefy enough. But it is probably enough to make committed drivers look elsewhere.

If, however, you want a comfortable, swish long-distance express, then it would be hard to argue against the V8 diesel A8, with its thunderous 590lb ft of torque. The S8, in short, feels like a car that's ended up with the wrong badges; more an S-line than a full-on S model. And that's a shame, because the S8 is a car made up of many great parts. It's just that the sum of them doesn't quite add up.

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thewheelman

Original Poster:

2,194 posts

173 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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No less of an "S" car than previous S8s. Personally i would hold out for the upcoming RS6, as much as i've always liked the S8, the RS6 is more to my taste.

moskvich427

227 posts

175 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Great article, and I agree with the conclusion. Big petrol-engined sports limos just don't make sense these days... but the original S8 from the 90s makes a veeery tempting bargain used buy smile

kambites

67,552 posts

221 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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I'd never buy one, but I'm glad cars like this exist.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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I love big, fast, strong cars that feel like they have effortless urge and can demolish continents.

The S8 is no doubt a lovely car.

But I can't help but feel that Audi really read the market wrong with the new A8 series. They made the big mistake of being far too conservative.

The Jaguar XJ makes the Audi look very old indeed, like a larger last generation A4. The BMW 7 series looks fresher too, and there will be a new Merc S class right in the middle of the A8 product cycle, which will no doubt also look a lot fresher.

I think the A8 will turn out to be like the previous model Jaguar XJ. When that came out everyone realised ( Jaguar included ) that they had been too conservative. I think the Audi is the same - it is just too dull.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Without Ronin, would its image be drab?
Oh..


Edited by Mermaid on Wednesday 12th October 14:53

British Beef

2,210 posts

165 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Impressive vehicle which I will gladly never own or consider owning.

The old comments regarding it looking like an A4, A6 still hold.

Requiring speakers to recreate v8 engine noise is just not cricket IMO.

The last S8 with the V10 sounded great even with a standard exhaust, I would happily sacrifice 5-10mpg for that noise. Otherwise go for the diesel if mpg matters.


Cupramax

10,478 posts

252 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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British Beef said:
Requiring speakers to recreate v8 engine noise is just not cricket IMO.

The last S8 with the V10 sounded great even with a standard exhaust, I would happily sacrifice 5-10mpg for that noise. Otherwise go for the diesel if mpg matters.
Its not the manufacturers fault, its the CO emmisions rules causing them to strangle the car.

thewheelman

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2,194 posts

173 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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I think you'll find the lowest drag coeffiient in this class is the Lexus LS600h, which is 0.27. If it's a luxury, powerful & fuel efficiet barge you want, you'd be mad to not consider the big Lexus. A combined output rating of 439bhp & 30+mpg is pretty impressive.


Edited by thewheelman on Wednesday 12th October 15:10

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

217 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Cupramax said:
Its not the manufacturers fault, its the CO emmisions rules causing them to strangle the car.
The speakers trick is probably more about noise suppression of the engine, particularly in 4cyl mode. They do this by using the in-car hifi to precisely replicate the same frequencies as the engine which cancels the noise out. Some of the Japanese manufacturers (including Honda) were toying with this more than 10 years ago- I'm not sure if any put it into production.

Riggers

1,859 posts

178 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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British Beef said:
Requiring speakers to recreate v8 engine noise is just not cricket IMO.
No, no! It's all about the resonances that four-cylinder engines create - not about 'faking' a V8 note!

There are NVH (noise, vibration, and harshness) issues with four-cylinder engine in luxury cars. Basically (if I understand it right - and I may not) it's to do with the frequency of cylinders firing. Or something like that. A chap showed me a graph and I tried (fairly unsuccessfully) to understand what he was going on about.

I think the long and the short of it is generally the more cylinders you have, the smoother the engine. And that's what active noise cancellation does, gives you the effect of extra cylinders.


ETA: What 10pence short said thumbup

Riggers

1,859 posts

178 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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thewheelman said:
I think you'll find the lowest drag coeffiient in this class is the Lexus LS600h, which is 0.27. If it's a luxury, powerful & fuel efficiet barge you want, you'd be mad to not consider the big Lexus. A combined output rating of 439bhp & 30+mpg is pretty impressive.


Edited by thewheelman on Wednesday 12th October 15:10
When Audi says 'in its class' it means XJ supersport and merc S63. And possibly BMW 760iL. it doesn't count the LS600h as a rival for the S8.

(But FWIW I think you're right smile)

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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I'd certainly have one of these in black - a great Q car.

En route to Le Mans 'les Flics' wouldn't give you a second glance, keeping their beady eyes out for the usuals suspects.

This is the sort of car F1 drivers used to prefer.


thewheelman

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2,194 posts

173 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Riggers said:
thewheelman said:
I think you'll find the lowest drag coeffiient in this class is the Lexus LS600h, which is 0.27. If it's a luxury, powerful & fuel efficiet barge you want, you'd be mad to not consider the big Lexus. A combined output rating of 439bhp & 30+mpg is pretty impressive.


Edited by thewheelman on Wednesday 12th October 15:10
When Audi says 'in its class' it means XJ supersport and merc S63. And possibly BMW 760iL. it doesn't count the LS600h as a rival for the S8.

(But FWIW I think you're right smile)
Cheers smile

It's odd how the big Germans still don't take Lexus as seriously as Jaguar when it comes to their main rivals. They really do offer a very impressive alternative these days.


AdamPT

191 posts

163 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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toppstuff said:
I love big, fast, strong cars that feel like they have effortless urge and can demolish continents.

The S8 is no doubt a lovely car.

But I can't help but feel that Audi really read the market wrong with the new A8 series. They made the big mistake of being far too conservative.

The Jaguar XJ makes the Audi look very old indeed, like a larger last generation A4. The BMW 7 series looks fresher too, and there will be a new Merc S class right in the middle of the A8 product cycle, which will no doubt also look a lot fresher.

I think the A8 will turn out to be like the previous model Jaguar XJ. When that came out everyone realised ( Jaguar included ) that they had been too conservative. I think the Audi is the same - it is just too dull.
Agree completely. The A8 looks like every other Audii, ie an over sized A4. Nice car but dull looking and for 90k I want something that makes me feel a bit special

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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toppstuff said:
I love big, fast, strong cars that feel like they have effortless urge and can demolish continents.

The S8 is no doubt a lovely car.

But I can't help but feel that Audi really read the market wrong with the new A8 series. They made the big mistake of being far too conservative.

The Jaguar XJ makes the Audi look very old indeed, like a larger last generation A4. The BMW 7 series looks fresher too, and there will be a new Merc S class right in the middle of the A8 product cycle, which will no doubt also look a lot fresher.

I think the A8 will turn out to be like the previous model Jaguar XJ. When that came out everyone realised ( Jaguar included ) that they had been too conservative. I think the Audi is the same - it is just too dull.
Agreed. It is not a good looking car. It's as simple as that. The old (D3) A8 looked ok to good from most angles and in S8 guise looked good to very good from all angles. The new one is a bit of a fugger.

As others have said, I'd take the V10 in the old shape and screw the mpg differential.

angusc43

11,474 posts

208 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Discreet. Petrol. Monstrous. Yes please.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

189 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Love that TV bang slap in the middle of the dashboard.

Hellbound

2,500 posts

176 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Maybe Jason Statham will be in one of these in the next Transporter flick. IF there is another one, which I hope there isn't. :|

Anyway scenes like the one in Ronin are only ever cool when the cars are old and sinister looking.

alexpa

644 posts

172 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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Hellbound said:
Maybe Jason Statham will be in one of these in the next Transporter flick. IF there is another one, which I hope there isn't. :|

Anyway scenes like the one in Ronin are only ever cool when the cars are old and sinister looking.
Ronin chase is quality. S8 is a sledge hammer. Doesnt say, but it MUST be 4WD?

Turbos would be easy to tune (without thought of longevity). Another few hundred ponies wouldn't go amiss eek

0a

23,900 posts

194 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
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A bit of a copy and paste car from the last one, along with the review ("if you want a sporty car get an X, a luxury one get a Y"). Big Audi A4 look-alikey