RE: Chris Harris video: Toyota GT 86

RE: Chris Harris video: Toyota GT 86

Wednesday 8th February 2012

Chris Harris video: Toyota GT86

What's the likely outcome of our man Harris and the rear-drive GT86? Go on, guess...



There was a lovely moment when I asked Tetsuya Tada, Chief engineer on the GT86, what the car's Nurburgring lap-time was, and he just smirked. Because I was already laughing myself. I suggested 11 minutes. He said he didn't know and didn't care.

Be in no doubt that whether you like the styling or not, the GT86 marks an important shift in ethos for the rapid horseless carriage. If, in five years time, other sectors of the enthusiast market are no longer allowing themselves to be judged in terms of ever-greater performance, and have chosen more subjective criteria, then we will owe the GT 86 a great deal.

PH has already published not one but two first drives on the car, because we wanted to get one live promptly. Time with the car was tight, and there was nothing on the public road, but you can still glean a lot from these brief encounters.

We've heaped praise on so much of the car it's probably useful to discuss the areas that could prove problematic in the showroom.

It takes effort but it's well worth it
It takes effort but it's well worth it
Styling and badge-issues are best left to the individual tastes, but it would be hard to suggest that an Audi TT or Peugeot RCZ won't hold greater appeal to the fashinistas, both outside and in.

Is it fast enough? I think so. If you buy into the 86 ethos, you don't much care if a Focus RS scoots away from the lights. Pulling out of second gear turns, on a dry circuit, the car had enough power and torque to overcome the mechanical grip of those 215 section tyres. That tells me all I need to know.

Is the £25,000 price reasonable? Absolutely.

Toyota or Subaru? If you'd asked me that an hour before driving the GT86, I'd have trenchantly answered 'Scooby' for all the obvious, 555-derived, reasons. Once I was looking out of the side window and revving the Bristols off the thing, the thought didn't even enter my mind. In fact, I'm enjoying the AE 86 heritage link more and more, and liked the GT86's supple suspension. I'm hearing that the Subaru might be a touch firmer, but can't pass judgment until that information is confirmed and we get to drive it.

Given that I suspect you will be exposed to heaps more sideways-driven GT86 footage, one last note on the car's behaviour when driven in true Hachi Roku manner. The GT86 creates slip-angle through power, not torque. Clever engineers will find fault with that statement but, from behind the wheel, you have to use all the engine revs to make it jiggle about. With the engine buzzing above 5,500rpm, and the Torsen differential forcing power to both rear wheels, the car has a quite a narrow window of stability. Too much throttle and you quickly need to use all the lock to correct the slide, too little and the car will straighten itself, and deliver those unprepared a sharp little tank slapper.

This isn't an M3. It asks much more of the driver to execute gratuitous slides. You need to unsettle the car more subtly, use momentum to help create yaw, then pounce on the opportunity, and extract the most from it by throwing just the right amount of gas at the suggestion of a slide, nurture it and ride it out. It's quite tricky to start with, but once you find a rhythm, it's a blast. Pointless info, I know, but then this isn't What Car?



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rajkohli81

Original Poster:

311 posts

206 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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He writes well, he drives very well..but as a video journalist...he's painfully dull to listen to...Voiceover please and leave the 'humour' to Clarkson and chums

Chris Peacock

815 posts

208 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Another great video CH,

Thanks.

threespires

4,293 posts

211 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Excellent report, I think you liked it !
You last statement regarding fun rather than 0-60 etc is spot on.

Redbaron1973

637 posts

253 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Great video - looks liek a really fun piece of kit... wonder how many company car lists will allow it?

tosh.brice

204 posts

211 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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rajkohli81 said:
... as a video journalist...he's painfully dull to listen to...
I have to disagree, I thoroughly enjoy Chris's video style, especially when, as here, he gives the impression that he's doing it all himself, even though we know there is a team involved. However, this time there were some bits in the car that were hard to hear.

RossP

2,523 posts

283 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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I so NEED a drive of one of these (or the scooby version) to see if it would be a suitable replacement for the S2000.

Marf

22,907 posts

241 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Good vid smile

Grovsie26

1,302 posts

167 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Looks great. Would say those wheels are really nasty and the interior with the red bits looks really rank as well, the steering wheel reminds me of the awful Focus RS mk1.

Jaykaybi

3,494 posts

221 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Great video Chris. I enjoy your presenting and journalism style.

coogy

955 posts

211 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Excellent video. This car is growing on me more and more

chelme

1,353 posts

170 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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A good video intro to these models from Toyota and Subaru and I have to say, about bloody time more car manufacturers adopted this approach - driving is about enjoyment, not Nurburgring lap times and driveway one up-manships.

If ever I decide to buy a new car, this will be somewhere in the top of the list. I also like the engine note; its a good mix of gruff and high pitched revvyness

ALfooy

331 posts

195 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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I cannot wait to start seeing these on the roads, let alone drive one.

Personally i've always liked Chris' journo style and think he's far more interesting than clarkson and co without ever going over the top, top bloke and throughly envy him

Gompo

4,411 posts

258 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Great video, looks like our hopes are coming to fruition.

kins

32 posts

178 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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My first thoughts of sitting in a GT86 would be "Eww that's a nasty steering wheel and gear knob combo".
Externally the wheels look utter gash and the brake calipers look like they came off a Matiz.

I bet it drives great though with huge dollops of thrashability. The 4 cylinder, naturally aspirated, boxer engine sounds uninspiring though and I don't really have it pinned as a cult engine with the tuners. I would of expected a screaming VVTI unit here or the option for a turbocharged motor! I can see more than a few 2jz conversions happening here.

bmthnick1981

5,311 posts

216 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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rajkohli81 said:
he's painfully dull to listen to...Voiceover please and leave the 'humour' to Clarkson and chums
Disagree.

Nice little video intro to the '86. Looking forward to more reviews and videos in the coming months.

contango

2,318 posts

254 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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HhhMmm.....
I have really been looking forward to the review of this car, it targets an entusiast niche and appears to have the right amount of rwd bias to be fun.....

The only problem I have with the review is that I feel I have been slightly marketed to.......Was Mr Harris really so gushing about this as he is with every other car he has driven lately?......

I would be slightly happier with the....this has been built up...disappoint me.....oh, no it really is that good!

Did the car company just allow extra time in the car as they knew there would be such a positive report?

And before you ask, I am fine for double glazing...Thanks! smile

little bill

34 posts

213 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Great video and great carsmile

VinceFox

20,566 posts

172 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Agree, car is a grower and seems to be winning hearts in person.

Cant wait to see a real one and so hope that other manufacturers pay attention.

Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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At one point I thought he might shed a tear! Great video Chris.

Lyons

132 posts

284 months

Wednesday 8th February 2012
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Like the video & write up, but i wish he'd stop banging on about sliding a cars. How many people actually do that on the open road, or a track day? Not many!