RE: PH Blog: all you need

RE: PH Blog: all you need

Monday 13th February 2012

PH Blog: all you need

Passat joins Harris stable permanently, inspires musings on the perfect amount of power



To compound the anger of those who despised my affection for the new diesel Volkswagen Passat recently I can now announce that I own a diesel Volkswagen Passat. It has 100hp and leather heated seats. I think it's brilliant.

It is in no way fast, but in that torquey, oily way it manages to trundle along perfectly adequately. I gave someone a lift in it last week and he chose to use that most apt of British phrases to describe the performance: "Goes well."

After five days in the 100hp Passat I had become completely accustomed to its pace and behaviour. And I have to say I didn't once find myself cursing it for not being faster. Maybe I just wasn't in a hurry to get anywhere that week. Perhaps the 48mpg at a sensible cruise was so pleasant for my wallet I subconsciously made allowances for the lack of urge? Maybe having a 375hp Morgan in the garage helps?

Who knows - but I was happy.

Too much of a good thing?
Too much of a good thing?
What I do know now is this: if you step from a 100hp Passat into a modern performance saloon car, the first few miles are not enlightening, or even surprising - they are plain unnerving.

This got me thinking about what constitutes a sensible amount of performance for everyday driving. Of course I love the new M5. And, if I had the cash, I'd be out there enriching La Famille Michelin. But, back in the land of real people, is an M5 actually too much of everything: speed, consumption, temptation?

Sometimes we forget how dramatic the performance increase in mainstream, and fast versions of mainstream cars has been since the late 90s. The first large, sports saloon I drove at Autocar in 1998 was an E39 528i Auto. It was a honey: a tick under 200hp with the legs to hit 100mph in a touch under 20 seconds. It was rightly considered a fast car at the time. A new 520d would probably take care of it in a straight line. Today, the same people who bought those 528s new in 1998 would probably consider its performance not only disappointing, but inadequate.

Is that really a surprise? Progress is inevitable and it's only natural that mechanical improvements in the motor car manifest themselves as greater efficiency and performance. But there's this nagging feeling that we're not actually getting places any faster than we were 10 years ago. Of course speed isn't about curtailing journey times - that goes without saying - but I do find 550hp saloon cars pretty bloody frustrating in 2012. Just simple stuff like smashing your right foot into to the carpet and holding it there: the simple thrill of being 'flat-out' is available so infrequently and in such meagre quantities that it can become amazingly irritating. Like being the custodian of an especially juicy secret you are desperate to blurt-out to the world but know you simply cannot.

What is enough performance for everyday driving? Search me. What I can say is, over a 12-month period it probably fluctuates between 100hp and 700hp. The problem I seem to have is always being in the wrong tool for the job. You know the situations, a playful, skilful biker joins you on a Welsh A-road - you skip down a gear to have some fun and then realise you are in fact piloting a Passat TDi PD 100PS Highline. At which point the bike disappears into another time zone, you curse the old shed and think wistfully how that situation would have developed were you driving your weekend toy. Next week, you take the Caterham and it rains like Noah's in town.

Actually maybe this is all you really need...
Actually maybe this is all you really need...
This is the case for the defense of the comically over-endowed everyday car: it means you are prepared, 365 days of the year, for anything that arises. The man, or woman, who drives an MTM-spruced RS6 Plus Avant, knows that not many driving situations will appear that leave him, or her, inadequately equipped. It's a great feeling of empowerment just knowing you have the necessary firepower to swat away lesser machinery. In the right hands it breeds a serene driver who chooses moments to express that performance carefully, and for the most part actually drives quite slowly. It's like that story of the two bulls standing on a hill overlooking a field full of heifers. The sager of the two questions his pal's need to run down and have his way with the first lady-cow he can grab as the others scarper. Better, he suggests, to calmly walk down and service them all.

Driving the Toyota GT 86 gave me a decent idea of how much performance I probably need in a car: one of those would be just about right for me, which means my speed requirements haven't actually altered that much during the recent power-explosion years, because of all the amazing cars I've been lucky enough to use, the one with the most suitable amount of speed was the Mk1 Focus RS. It was just fast enough to be naughty if driven flat-out, but didn't feel horribly constrained and under-exploited on a daily basis. It had 212hp and weighed 1,300kg.

So there is an answer, and it is 163hp per ton - notionally, the ideal power-to-weight ratio for everyday driving. Working to that calculation, the Passat's 61hp per ton will probably become irksome in the coming weeks; at which point something tasty from the shed will emerge for spring and the old bus will become a trusty camera stooge which, to be fair, was the original reason for its purchase. Don't worry, I'm not going soft just yet.
De La Soul were wrong, as was Douglas Adams. 163 is the magic number.

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TobesH

Original Poster:

550 posts

207 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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Chris - I whole heartedly agree with you. Re-map the Passat to wake it up I say.

I have my Caterham for the weekend and my smoky Audi TDI Avant Quattro for the rest of the time. The Caterham's a keeper but I simply cant help but plan for a Nissan GTR (or V10 RS6 Avant, ummm) to become my everyday car. Trouble is I know from experience having a high performance everyday hack can be more frustrating than having a chugger, because you just can't 'use' them. Your VW has leather and toys being a Highline version, I too have add-ons like BOSE and silky Nappa coated seats; I'm sure the comfort and ease of every use makes a difference too.

L100NYY

35,208 posts

243 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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Very interesting read and certainly echoes my thoughts there Chris, in fact I was musing at the weekend about the cars I have owned and got the most from and it came down to -

Renault Clio Williams 150bhp
Caterham Superlight 140bhp

Now, I've been in the very fortunate position to drive and own many and varied cars from MG Midgets to Ford GT and from XK120 to 458 and I concurr that you really can have too much of a good thing.

I am not condoning the banning of high powered fodder but to enjoy a car in the real world a 'downsize' in power is not a bad thing at all.

Edited by L100NYY on Monday 13th February 09:07

AndyS13

14 posts

146 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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Totally agree with this article we have a c32 amg which has an upgraded supercharger pulley and chipped which is running just over 420bhp. It is a great all rounder but there is very rarely anywhere you can drive flat out unless its on a track as its just so dam fast! Whereas in my old integra type r dc2 you could quite often be driving flat out, on a track of course.

redgriff500

26,856 posts

263 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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This is regularly discussed and I think it varies depending on the car.

My 300bhp Griffith wasn't happy unless it was going 120+ and so was very frustrating to drive.

My 380bhp Monaro is happy to tootle around but also to take off when appropriate.

My supercharged 210bhp MX5 is happy under 100 but is a hooligan out of every T junction.

I'm lucky that I have always own at least 5 cars but I find it's the cars rather than my mood that set the pace.

You'll regret the Passat - should have had the 130 then a remap makes it a very nice usable daily.

PascalBuyens

2,868 posts

282 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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163? 250/ton at least, more likely smile

Edited by PascalBuyens on Monday 13th February 09:38

delays

786 posts

215 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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TobesH said:
Chris - I whole heartedly agree with you. Re-map the Passat to wake it up I say.
Passat 1.9TDI (mapped)?

Jasper Gilder

2,166 posts

273 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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The point where you have too much power is the point where the handling of the car is badly affected by the weight of the lump. Before that point I think it's better to have power you can use when you need it, rather than not have power when you desperately want it

Power can get you into trouble if you're a klutz, but if you're not it can really get you out of it!

AndyCzech

39 posts

158 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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I may well accept less than 163 in a lighter car that has near perfect balance.

It’s sad that many modern barges need more power simply to overcome excess weight. As you rightly say that doesn’t always add up to a car that is fun to drive.

Blackpuddin

16,509 posts

205 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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Our Passat Estate 130 is a good strong car - check your passenger-side carpets for dampness though Chris. Blocked drainage holes = scuppered ECU and wiring and a £500 bill (if you're lucky).

Biker's Nemesis

38,651 posts

208 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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There's nothing wrong with having a sensible everday car, only those in the hard of thinking dept would disagree.


TobesH

Original Poster:

550 posts

207 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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delays said:
TobesH said:
Chris - I whole heartedly agree with you. Re-map the Passat to wake it up I say.
Passat 1.9TDI (mapped)?
#

Should get it up to circa 140-150 BHP plus decent hike in torque

sootyrumble

295 posts

186 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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LOL to be pedantic the magic number IS (Imanginary drum roll) 212bhp/1278kg = 165.9bhp/tonne :-) or more personally my Focus runs 250bhp so 195.6bhp/tonne, however joking apart i have owned an Audi S3 with 330bhp and a pulsar GTIR with 450bhp and i hardly ever got to use their performance sitting there and having to back of the throttle before getting anywhere near the yowling redline allways left me feeling caged :-(, even the Focus gets very naughty very quickly, so in a long winded way i completely agree with Chris, in fact one of my most fun cars was a stripped out MK1 Golf i also used for weekends and track work with 122bhp and 830kg or 147bhp/tonne.

Nice musings and glad to see an artical promoting useable daily performance

BorkFactor

7,265 posts

158 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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I do agree with you on this one - reminds me of my old mk3 Mondeo that was just a bog standard 1.8 petrol. Add a good diesel engine to that and I think it would be all the car that anyone could ever need.

Excellent points about the 528i - it does amaze me how even the basic diesel versions of most cars (320d, A4 2.0 TDI) can be pretty rapid compared to older cars. I am sure these things would have no bother dispatching my ST24, and I think it is a fast car!

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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The E30 M3 had just about the right formula for motoring pleasure - 200ps, rwd. LSD, 4 seater, 1200kg, decent brakes etc.

Style, passion, foibles more important than outright power/torque.

Dagnut

3,515 posts

193 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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If you want a light nimble buy a sports car not a saloon...are you really trying to tell us if your travelling 200 miles in a car you wouldn't rather be mashing the tarmac into submission in an AMG merc ?
What you save on depreciation and initial layout, easily covers the extra spend on fuel...I'm all for lightweight cars but if it's a saloon give me massive torque and comfort anyday

SWoll

18,369 posts

258 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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Agree completely.

I remember thinking that a 330i I owned a few years back had about the perfect amount of performance for everyday use (approx 160 BHP/Ton). Plenty of go for safe overtaking and swift progress but useable without feeling like I was going to get locked up every time I gave it the beans. No traction issues in bad weather either.

Borrowed an E60 M5 for a weekend and as much as it was a glorious motor I didn't really get an opportunity to let it run. Giving it it's head in third gear put you very quickly into license losing territory and I felt constantly frustrated by the fact that i couldn't truly enjoy it on the road. TC was very busy in the wet also.

Damn shame.

AndyCowman

359 posts

250 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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Ran an extra car for a while but was getting a bit pricey - plan now is switchable maps on the old 944 Turbo so I can have potter about mode then just flick the switch to get the performance back smile

Alfa numeric

3,026 posts

179 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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I'm with you Chris- when I had a Megane R26 as my only car (180 odd BHP/ton) I held the opinion that it was probably as fast as it was possible to use on the roads in the UK and that anything faster would just be frustrating day to day. I was able to accelerate onto a motorway and actually have it pinned in the first three gears before you felt the need to lift off- something that's probably not possible in the M5 as you'd be deep into licence losing territory. I'd love a 458 but in all honesty away from a track I think I'd have more fun in an Elise.

wackojacko

8,581 posts

190 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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We want lift off oversteer videos of the Passat wink

sv

229 posts

257 months

Monday 13th February 2012
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I wrestle with the "too much power/too capable" stuff.

Currently I own a B7 RS4. It's a brilliant car; it suits my needs well, and it has bags of performance but...if I have to be honest, my old Lupo GTI was more fun to drive more of the time.