RE: Spotted: 1965 Lotus Seven

RE: Spotted: 1965 Lotus Seven

Friday 9th March 2012

Spotted: 1965 Lotus Seven

The car that begat a whole company (Caterham). But is it worth £34K?



If you are ‘more than just a number’, or perhaps if you are followed around by a sinister white ball on a regular basis, then this could well be the ‘spotted’ for you.


But enough Prisoner references; even if you don’t harbour fantasies of being Patrick McGoohan this Series II Lotus Seven is surely quite a catch.

Restored to its original 60s spec more than 20 years ago, this 1965 Lotus Seven Series II is the spit of the famous KAR 120C, albeit without that iconic colour scheme. Looking at the ad, it’s amazing how little the Caterham/Lotus Seven recipe has changed over the years, too.

Okay, so these days you can get grippy tyres, insane power-to-weight ratios, roll bars, cages, sequential gearboxes and more sophisticated suspension (should you so choose), but the links between this 1965 car and a brand-new Caterham are palpably obvious.


True, there is more in the way of creature comforts in the modern ones (sort of), and the live rear axles disappeared way back in the early 80s, but the basic proportions remain practically unchanged.

This old-stager isn’t even particularly slow – the 1500cc Cosworth-modifed OHV Ford motor should give around 100-105hp, more than enough in a car that weighs just half a ton.

It’s rare, too. Ordinarily we might be tempted to link you through to the other Lotus Sevens for sale on PH, but this is the only one. Which possibly helps to explain that £33,995 asking price. Still, there is always a fine selection of Caterhams to pick from. But that’s not quite the same, is it?






LOTUS SEVEN SERIES II
Engine:
 1,498cc Cosworth/Ford 4-cylinder
Transmission: 4-speed manual
Power (hp): circa 100
Torque (lb ft): N/A
MPG: Chap selling it says around 25
CO2: N/A
First registered: 1965
Recorded mileage: 74,000

 

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Ex Boy Racer

Original Poster:

1,151 posts

192 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Lovely. But look how far forward the engine is mounted - almost Audi-esque!

LuS1fer

41,130 posts

245 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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No it isn't worth £34k. You can close the thread now. wink

sinbaddio

2,369 posts

176 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Not convinced on the red interior/orange body combo either

ewenm

28,506 posts

245 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Ex Boy Racer said:
Lovely. But look how far forward the engine is mounted - almost Audi-esque!
Nicely balanced out by how far back the driver is mounted hehe

Riggers

1,859 posts

178 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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LuS1fer said:
No it isn't worth £34k. You can close the thread now. wink
Done! smile

Gorbyrev

1,160 posts

154 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Oh nuts - off to the Se7en classifieds again and out with the loan calculator. Nearly bought an 02 plate 1.6K series Roadsport a few years ago. Given current prices it would actually have appreciated! Given that, it is not hard to justify £35K for an immaculate classic.

RicksAlfas

13,387 posts

244 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Beautiful.
smile

PHMatt

608 posts

148 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Needs a machine polish, those orange panels looks dreadful.

Oh heck, who care, just drive it!

Defconluke

309 posts

154 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Ex Boy Racer said:
Lovely. But look how far forward the engine is mounted - almost Audi-esque!
Tongue in cheek post?

Looking at the open bonnet picture, the centre of the engine is well behind the lights which is rougly where the centreline of the front axle is. smile

MX7

7,902 posts

174 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Given how rare a S2 must be now, the price doesn't seem that high.

Stew2000

2,776 posts

178 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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The first thing that came to my mind was this: http://youtu.be/14eUKogPF7s
I feel old now.

Sam_68

9,939 posts

245 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Defconluke said:
Tongue in cheek post?

Looking at the open bonnet picture, the centre of the engine is well behind the lights which is rougly where the centreline of the front axle is. smile
No, that looks far forward for a 'Seven'.

If you have a look at some of the engine bay pics in the 'Caterham' classifieds, you'll see that the engine is usually a little further back (with just the cam chains/belts/front pulley, depending on engine type, hidden under the trailing edge of the nosecone), and even modern Caterhams have their engines mounted far forward compared to some 'Seven' type roadsters like Sylvas (and even Westfields).

Despite being very well developed, the design of the 'traditional' Caterham is starting to show it's age in some respects - engine position is one of them and the cobbled-on suspension modifications from the original design are another.

suffolk009

5,373 posts

165 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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I've often thought that Caterham are missing a trick with not doing a proper anniversary edition. Long nose, short sloping bonnet, narrow arches, medieval seats, big wheels, chrome gauges, and very skinny wheels. It would need something very revvy but a bit underpowered under the bonnet.

All about the character. Not grip levels or 0-60 times.

And a bit of cashing in on the retro-vibes hasn't done Morgan any harm recently has it? I'll take mine with hubcaps please.

M@1975

591 posts

227 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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nice but not £35K of nice, is it supposed to be orange or is it just faded red?

Sam_68

9,939 posts

245 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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suffolk009 said:
I've often thought that Caterham are missing a trick with not doing a proper anniversary edition.
yes It wouldn't be 'authentic' Caterham (since they started with the Series 3) but I must admit, I'd be tempted by a proper Seven S1 replica with wire wheels. yum

suffolk009

5,373 posts

165 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Sam_68 said:
suffolk009 said:
I've often thought that Caterham are missing a trick with not doing a proper anniversary edition.
yes It wouldn't be 'authentic' Caterham (since they started with the Series 3) but I must admit, I'd be tempted by a proper Seven S1 replica with wire wheels. yum
There's an interest in the classics, but people are understandably wary of reliability and fragility. Look at the popularity of people retro-fitting 964s to look older than they are.

And, yes, I concede your point about Caterham and S3. But, mmmm, shiny new S1s. Thatd be a great new starter in the range. Wonder how much work you'd need to do to a Coventry Climax to get it through current emissions!

Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

245 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Ex Boy Racer said:
Lovely. But look how far forward the engine is mounted - almost Audi-esque!
Exactly my thought when I looked at the pictures, the gear linkage must be very long.

Nice car though.

FlossyThePig

4,083 posts

243 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Gorbyrev said:
Oh nuts - off to the Se7en classifieds again and out with the loan calculator. Nearly bought an 02 plate 1.6K series Roadsport a few years ago. Given current prices it would actually have appreciated! Given that, it is not hard to justify £35K for an immaculate classic.
Why are you looking at Minis? The Austin Mini was the original Se7en.

J4CKO

41,497 posts

200 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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"Coventry Climax", not heard that name for a long time, always like the idea of having an engine that sounds like a West Midlands themed porn film, "Alright Duck, Ive come round to fix your sink, any chance of a Kipper Tie"

johnnymaestro

4,775 posts

223 months

Friday 9th March 2012
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Sam_68 said:
Defconluke said:
Tongue in cheek post?

Looking at the open bonnet picture, the centre of the engine is well behind the lights which is rougly where the centreline of the front axle is. smile
No, that looks far forward for a 'Seven'.

If you have a look at some of the engine bay pics in the 'Caterham' classifieds, you'll see that the engine is usually a little further back (with just the cam chains/belts/front pulley, depending on engine type, hidden under the trailing edge of the nosecone), and even modern Caterhams have their engines mounted far forward compared to some 'Seven' type roadsters like Sylvas (and even Westfields).

Despite being very well developed, the design of the 'traditional' Caterham is starting to show it's age in some respects - engine position is one of them and the cobbled-on suspension modifications from the original design are another.
When I get home I will take a picture of the S2 to see how it compares with this one and show a bit more under the nose.

Price does sound alot for that little car, but then I think this car is worth a look as a project, might have to negotiate a price though, as it sounds alot for the condition it is/isn't in. But I think it could be built up for maybe less than the one shown.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C284619



Edited by johnnymaestro on Friday 9th March 13:16