997 buying tips needed

[tibor70]

Hi all,

never been driving RWD and now I considering buying weekend toy I am aiming at 997 now - seems reasonable priced finally. My gut says C2S manual coupe, ideally with some chrono packet if priced in well but questions are:
- is S so much better than normal? - I found S version prices so close to normal that it is temting to take S (are there any maintanance issues to avoid S due higher costs later on?)

- C4 maybe? I found some revies (autocar?) saying it is maybe better suited for beginner not used to RWD machines - is 997 C2 such a beast trying to kill you in any wet corner and is 4WD killing "that 911" feel I am after?

- gen 1 or gen 2? As I understood during 997 generation there was change from carburetors to direct injection. What to think about it. Performance difference? Maintanance issues? I am not too much of DYI person so this is important too.

thanks for your opnion/experience

[mollytherocker]

Wow, its hard to know where to start! Carburetors you say?

MTR

[STiG911]

Really...

[Welshbeef]

mollytherocker said:

Wow, its hard to know where to start! Carburetors you say?

MTR

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I'd be thinking hard about which option too.
Oh sorry is that a gen 1 964 were talking about or even earlier?? Nope 997 it's fuel injection and has been for near on 30years!!

[mollytherocker]

Welshbeef said:

Nope 997 it's fuel injection and has been for near on 30years!!

Try nearly 40 years!

MTR

[Steviebeee]

Guys, Guys, easy now.


Twin choke?

Sorry, couldn't help it hehe

My experience is limited only to an AWD 996 Turbo which was so planted I felt it took a bit of the 'excitement' out of ownership. My new car is a RWD GT3, and whilst it feels 'livelier', its still a very sure footed car to pilot around the B-Roads providing the conditions are right.

Steering feel is better on the RWD cars too, and the overall weight is reduced which helps the all round feel/performance.

In my eyes, a RWD Porsche is much less tail happy than an M3/M5 and will inspire confidence and give reward like no other. Its all about learning the car, learning to turn in on the brakes and when to get on the power, something you will learn with a little performance driving tuition and time in the hot seat.

Hope this helps,
Stevie

[This Is Pete]

S version will obviously have better sell on value (if you can bear to part with it).

I'd say that either the C2 or C4 will please you equally. It really depends on what you want out of it. If you really want the "purity" of the RWD, then you'd regret getting the C4.

Steering feel and general response to me feels spot on.

Personally, I love the feel of the C4S, it certainly isn't as uninvolving as you might be led to beleive from what you read; it dances, it gives feedback, it's a real 911.

Edited by This Is Pete on Tuesday 26th June 23:59

[tibor70]

mollytherocker said:

Welshbeef said:

Nope 997 it's fuel injection and has been for near on 30years!!

Try nearly 40 years!

MTR

excuse my ignorance but when I read from various sources that facelift of 997 in 2008 brought change in form of direct fuel injection I assume older models got something else. I remember it was device to mix gasoline with air and then intaking it into engine. So what is the problem then either it is not called carburetor or there is DFI in 911s for ages.. please could you explain to non native englishe speaker please?

[tibor70]

Steviebeee said:

Guys, Guys, easy now.


Twin choke?

Sorry, couldn't help it hehe

My experience is limited only to an AWD 996 Turbo which was so planted I felt it took a bit of the 'excitement' out of ownership. My new car is a RWD GT3, and whilst it feels 'livelier', its still a very sure footed car to pilot around the B-Roads providing the conditions are right.

Steering feel is better on the RWD cars too, and the overall weight is reduced which helps the all round feel/performance.

In my eyes, a RWD Porsche is much less tail happy than an M3/M5 and will inspire confidence and give reward like no other. Its all about learning the car, learning to turn in on the brakes and when to get on the power, something you will learn with a little performance driving tuition and time in the hot seat.

Hope this helps,
Stevie

thanks for view

[tibor70]

This Is Pete said:

S version will obviously have better sell on value (if you can bear to part with it).

I'd say that either the C2 or C4 will please you equally. It really depends on what you want out of it. If you really want the "purity" of the RWD, then you'd regret getting the C4.

Steering feel and general response to me feels spot on.

Personally, I love the feel of the C4S, it certainly isn't as uninvolving as you might be led to beleive from what you read; it dances, it gives feedback, it's a real 911.

Edited by This Is Pete on Tuesday 26th June 23:59

thanks Pete

[MadMark911]

tibor70 said:

excuse my ignorance but when I read from various sources that facelift of 997 in 2008 brought change in form of direct fuel injection I assume older models got something else. I remember it was device to mix gasoline with air and then intaking it into engine. So what is the problem then either it is not called carburetor or there is DFI in 911s for ages.. please could you explain to non native englishe speaker please?

Tibor 70 - I think I'm right in saying that the earlier ones had "non direct" injection in that the injectors fire into the inlet manifold rather than direct into the cylinder.

Porsche sold something like four times as many "S" models as the standard Carrera - so you end up with more choice (as well as more power, more torque and better standard equipment levels).

I've just sold my "S" but I have to say that it was a fantastic car, more than capable of being used everyday, whilst providing some thrills when you're in the mood ....

[tibor70]

MadMark911 said:

Tibor 70 - I think I'm right in saying that the earlier ones had "non direct" injection in that the injectors fire into the inlet manifold rather than direct into the cylinder.

Porsche sold something like four times as many "S" models as the standard Carrera - so you end up with more choice (as well as more power, more torque and better standard equipment levels).

I've just sold my "S" but I have to say that it was a fantastic car, more than capable of being used everyday, whilst providing some thrills when you're in the mood ....

thanks for explanation! I am gravitating toward "S" as I saw some pieces (Germany) on sale for almost standard C2 prices. Was your "S" direct or non direct injection then?
I will be very careful with using word carburetor on this forum in the future

[MadMark911]

tibor70 said:

thanks for explanation! I am gravitating toward "S" as I saw some pieces (Germany) on sale for almost standard C2 prices. Was your "S" direct or non direct injection then?
I will be very careful with using word carburetor on this forum in the future

My car was one of the later Gen 1's (as they are referred to) and was a 2008 model year - hence no direct injection. The later cars (Gen II's) have slightly more power, more torque and are more economical, but don't sound as good (even with the essential PSE or Porsche Sports Exhaust system) and are obviously more expensive.

[mrdemon]

this post just reminds me of "borat" sorry :-)

buy 911 it's nice.......you like ....

http://youtu.be/WH2CABcffAo

Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 27th June 10:18