RE: Toyota GT 86 meets Toyota Sports 800

RE: Toyota GT 86 meets Toyota Sports 800

Monday 6th August 2012

Toyota GT 86 meets Toyota Sports 800

Heard of the Sports 800? Possibly not, but it's officially Toyota's first sports car and stakes a claim on the GT 86 bloodline



The PR battle to claim the heart and soul of the car formerly known as the Toyobaru is taking to the showrooms. Just what is it though - a Toyota or a Subaru? After driving the BRZ I'd have said "definitely a Subaru", from its flat-four cough on start-up onwards.

Does this answer the identity crisis?
Does this answer the identity crisis?
Definitely a Subaru, too, when you open the bonnet and clock the two hastily applied Toyota badges on the wings that lift with little persuasion and reveal 'Subaru' stamped into the bodywork. A little provocation from Fuji Heavy Industries at Toyota's expense, one could speculate.

Does it really matter though? Ultimately not really - the BRZ and GT 86 are, minor suspension and styling differences aside, more or less identical. So the choice really comes down to brand loyalties, availability and the finer details of the spec sheet. All that stuff that's been said about a return to affordable rear-wheel drive fun, an emphasis on handling over outright pace and a more relevant approach to performance motoring rings true, twice over.

B-roads feel like A-roads in the Sports 800
B-roads feel like A-roads in the Sports 800
And then this little car turned up. It's a Sports 800, apparently Toyota's first real sports car and one I'd never heard of before 'Mr GT 86' Tetsuya Tada dropped it into conversation at the Geneva show earlier in the year. Sure, the famous 'Hachi Roku' Corolla AE86 and its iconic drift heritage (yo) play a part in Toyota's claim on the GT 86. But the Sports 800 suddenly gives Toyota a marketing friendly joker to play, this compact, rear-drive, back-to-basics coupe powered, crucially, by a horizontally opposed engine. Bingo! PR gold ... if only there was one here in the UK.

Whose badge is it anyway?
Turns out there is, and it belongs to JHW Classics, a firm specialising in supplying exotic and rare vehicles to film and TV production companies. And PH, on occasion (curator Jane Weitzmann provided the Miura for our Lamborghini features a couple of months back).

One nil to Toyota in PR battle with Subaru
One nil to Toyota in PR battle with Subaru
It was on that visit I chanced upon the Sports 800, Jane perhaps surprised that I'd bound past the Miura, XJ220 and others to gawp at a Toyota with a 790cc two-cylinder engine. Or then again perhaps not given that the fleet includes a number of other Japanese rarities, including a 2000 GT, Nissan Fairlady ZG (a rare, re-nosed and rally-homologated JDM 240Z), Mazda Cosmo and Honda N600.

The contrast with with the Miura we saw last time couldn't be more dramatic and when I hear the Sports 800 being manoeuvred round I have to stifle a giggle. It really does sound a bit like a lawnmower. Looks cute as you like though, kind of a miniature 2000 GT and the very image of a classic 60s sporting coupe. Just half the size.

No, Dan hasn't nicked a kid's pedal car...
No, Dan hasn't nicked a kid's pedal car...
Half the size, twice the fun
It's a lovely little thing though, half a metre longer than a (proper) Mini at 3,580mm but similar in width and weighing just 580kg. The tall roofline does spoil the scale effect slightly but this is a proper little car, not a novelty like the Peel. And the view from within along a louvred bonnet and behind an oh-so-60s skinny-rimmed steering wheel and Spartan aluminium dash really does make you feel like you're in a mini E-Type. An illusion spoiled slightly by the fact it shivers on tickover like a dog on a frosty morning walk and has an engine note that's more 2CV than Porsche 550 Spyder.

The novelty and charm win you over though and for all its diminutive proportions it doesn't feel quite so comedic inside. OK, it's not for the larger of frame, but nor does it feel like you're driving a kids' pedal car. There's a chunky precision to the controls too, the stubby little gear lever requiring surprising muscle and the non-assisted steering - proud 'T' at the centre of the wheel - hefty enough at low speeds.

Boxer engine gives handy (if flimsy) link
Boxer engine gives handy (if flimsy) link
Breathing through a carb on each cylinder, the flat twin is not the last word in NVH but it picks up purposefully and the Sports 800 takes off up the road with real spirit, GT 86 following in its wake. A mix of imperial measurements on the minor gauges and km/h on the speedo is quirky, the numbers on the latter seemingly more like scale speed, rather than actual. Hence when the needle passes three figures you're holding on and grinning like it was mph.

Scale speed
60-70mph is about what the Sports 800 is comfortable buzzing along at and, clearly, the M25 is not its forte. So I peel off and onto some more appropriately sized lanes where Caterham-like width and sightlines are more of an advantage and just 49hp less of a hindrance. It's a hoot too, thrashy, buzzy and noisy but eager and chuckable and fun to punt along so long as you keep that tiny gearstick busy in an attempt to make meaningful progress.

Roof panel removable,Targa style
Roof panel removable,Targa style
At no point does it ever feel quick. But, you know, there's more to life sometimes and the novelty and sheer fun of the Sports 800 is endlessly charming.

Scale it up and put it into a modern context and, yes, the GT 86 does contrive a similar sense of innocent fun. Compared with the exposed metal of the Sports 800 the GT 86 feels relatively decadent in its luxury but for a modern car it's pleasingly pared back. And evocative of an earlier time.

No, not the 60s. Think late 80s or early 90s. Yup, if you've been raised on a diet of MX-5s, Evos, Celicas, Imprezas or Type Rs you'll feel right at home here, right down to the crummy digital clock.

"Noddy called and wants his car back" etc
"Noddy called and wants his car back" etc
Get your foot in and stop moaning
Those who've moaned about the lack of poke, thrummy noise or supposed lack of throttle adjustability need to spend more time north of 5,000rpm. Sure, it's no rocketship and there are more exciting sounding engines about. But it's just quick enough to entertain, sings a more vigorous tune and is happy to throw some shapes if you so desire. All at vaguely sensible speeds. Pin-sharp, rewarding and, most of all, tremendous fun.

Is it the true successor to the Sports 800? Sure, you can draw parallels. But this pairing is no pure bloodline like a 911. Just a bit of fun, an unexpected opportunity inspired by a PR-friendly soundbite from Tada-san and a chance to appreciate the fact, yes, Toyota can let its hair down from time to time (with a little help from Subaru).


With thanks to JHW Classics, photos by SBMotoPhoto


TOYOTA GT 86
Engine:
1,998cc flat-4, direct injection
Transmission: 6-speed manual/6-auto, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 200@7,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 151@6,400rpm
0-62mph: 7.7 sec
Top speed: 140mph
Weight: 1,238kg
MPG: 36.2mpg (combined)
CO2: 181g/km
Price: £24,995 (£27,995 as tested, including Touch and Go nav, metallic paint and leather/Alcantara heated seats)

TOYOTA SPORTS 800
Engine:
790cc flat-2
Transmission: 4-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 49hp@5,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 52.8@3,800rpm
0-62mph: N/A
Top speed: 97mph
Weight: 580kg
MPG: N/A
CO2: N/A
Price: c. £12,000







   
   
   


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Discussion

Fury1630

Original Poster:

393 posts

227 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Erm ..... two cars, one PHometer?

I'll take the Sports 800 please - anyone got a spare Hayabusa engine?

loveice

649 posts

247 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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I would take the Sports 800, as well. But, maybe not with a bike engine. Coz, the whole point of this kind of car is not about the quickest 0-60 time. I would think it's more about fun to drive. So, a proper car gear box is needed (no more than 5-speed).

How about that latest Subaru boxer engine if it fits...

Benbay001

5,795 posts

157 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Fury1630 said:
I'll take the Sports 800 please - anyone got a spare Hayabusa engine?
I was thinking exactly the same. 560kg - 180hp cloud9

ArtVandelay

6,689 posts

184 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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The red accents do nothing for the GT86's interior

CrisW

522 posts

193 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Strange how things come around. If you were to propose launching a small coupe powered by a sub 1.0 litre engine with a weight well under a tonne you'd be bang on the current trend.

In fact that set-up could be launched by FIAT tomorrow and called a Barchetta and it would seem incredbily forward thinking.

AndySA

900 posts

263 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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The 86 has just been released in SA. Nice fact is that the low spec version has come in at 3500 (of your money) less than a Golf GTI. And that it has 16 inch rims with 205/55 tyres so less grip and should be more progressive at the limit. Also one of the less expensive tyre sizes leading to more chance of fun!

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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So who on the PH editorial staff hasn't yet figured out an angle to do a GT86 road test? wink

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Barely started yet! whistle

1Nathan

36 posts

144 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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How much can you get an alright sports 800 for these days?

rallycross

12,790 posts

237 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Why is the GT86 so damn heavy?

Give me the sports 800, or an MR2 roadster mk3, or an Ae86 twin cam rwd, or an even old Celica GT.

Paul O

2,720 posts

183 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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I can't help but think that in 15 years time Hyundai/Kia will have all but wiped out Toyota in the reliably-average sector of the market.

As for the sports offerings, the Hyundai Coupe looks a lot better than the new Toyota GT...



I do like that old Toyota though - thats very funky!! smile

Marf

22,907 posts

241 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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rallycross said:
Why is the GT86 so damn heavy?
1190 - 1250KG heavy by new car standards? laugh

Feels nimble enough in the drivers seat wink

LordGrover

33,539 posts

212 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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ArtVandelay said:
The red accents do nothing for the GT86's interior
yes A little in your face for my liking - thankfully it's an option.

thetapeworm

11,225 posts

239 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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I'll take the Sports 800 and then ruin it with a 3S-GTE or a 2JZ-GTE if it'll go in.

LordGrover

33,539 posts

212 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Paul O said:
I can't help but think that in 15 years time Hyundai/Kia will have all but wiped out Toyota in the reliably-average sector of the market.

As for the sports offerings, the Hyundai Coupe looks a lot better than the new Toyota GT...

It may be a prettier car, but Genesis Coupe not available in UK is it?
3.8l V6 is rather a different ethos too.

ArtVandelay

6,689 posts

184 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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LordGrover said:
yes A little in your face for my liking - thankfully it's an option.
That's good to know, if I was in the market for a new car, this or more likely the BRZ would be on the list, lower speed thrills appeals.

craigb84

1,493 posts

152 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Just got back from the Toyota dealership. I'm very impressed and booked in for a test drive on later this week.

Rear seats are a disappointment but the official line is that it does pass as a 4 seater for tax / company car purposes (which is a bonus).

Hoygo

725 posts

161 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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Hyondai is very heavy to be considered a sports car that rivals the GT86 for the driving involvement and fun.

I drove a gt86 and was great like everyone said,reminded me very much my Clio 172 for the fun,no way i will be paying 27k (as the one i drove was) but without leather seats and the leather pack at 25 k is still very very pricey for what it is,in a 3-5 years time depending from depreciation it should be good enough.

zimzum

14 posts

204 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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I just love the sports 800.

Carparticus

1,038 posts

202 months

Monday 6th August 2012
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zimzum said:
I just love the sports 800.
5 posts in 64 months ? Top lurking !!

I'll take the Sports 800 please ;-)