Power Chip?

Wednesday 15th August 2012

PH2 ridden: BMW C evolution

PH2 takes a quiet ride on BMW's prototype electric maxi scooter



The mention of electric vehicles used to bring sniggers of amusement and the standard comparison to a milk float. But at this year's TT we saw the first 100mph (actually we saw several) electric lap with even Honda getting in on the act. But these race bikes were little more than one-lap specials and when it comes to electric road bikes we are currently (sic) stuck to urban scooters with an extremely limited range. BMW looks set to change all this...

A spookily quiet riding experience
A spookily quiet riding experience
E Scooter
Last year BMW unveiled the C evolution - essentially a battery powered version of its new C-series maxi scooter. What made the C evolution so unique was its size.

Designed for 'proper' commuting, BMW claimed a range of over 60 miles while being capable of over 70mph. In short, this was the first truly viable electric maxi scooter. A year on and PH2 has got the chance to swing a leg over a £300,000 fully-working prototype.

Technology
With all electric vehicles the big issues are battery life, charge cycle and weight - which is where the BMW starts to make sense.

When batteries become a chassis
When batteries become a chassis
The C evolution uses the same batteries as BMW's future electric cars, the i3 and hybrid i8, but where the i3 car has eight batteries, the scooter has just three. BMW has created a kind of metal box around these batteries to keep them safe and the bike's swingarm and headstock hang off this structure.

In essence the batteries are a structural component of the bike, just like using the motor as a stressed member on a petrol bike. The electric motor is integrated into the swingarm and drives the rear wheel via a toothed belt. Here is where it gets very interesting: despite putting out 35kW of power (approximately 46hp), it is homologated at 11kW (14hp) due to testing procedures - making it learner legal.

Electric motor housed within swingarm
Electric motor housed within swingarm
How has this happened? The testing procedures require the bike to run at full power for 30 minutes, something a petrol engine can do but an electric can't due to battery life. The longer the bike is run, the lower the power due to conserving the battery and therefore the lower the average power. A coincidence that the BMW hits learner legal power? Not a chance - that's some extremely clever thinking by BMW's design team. Anyone can ride the C evolution on an 'L' plate - meaning you don't have to go through the hassle and expense of passing a full bike test.

Sound of silence
The C evolution was a totally new experience. Everything is different from a petrol vehicle, including start-up. With ignition on, you hold the brake and hit the starter in exactly the same way as a petrol bike. And then silence. No vibration, no exhaust note, nothing. Something inside your head says that opening the throttle won't accomplish anything but it does. With an odd whining noise the scooter moves forward and you are off...

An urban scooter in a, erm, 'urban' setting...
An urban scooter in a, erm, 'urban' setting...
Throttle response was one unknown but the C evolution's twist grip reacts just the same as a petrol scooter. Turn it one way to go faster, close in the other to slow down - no surprises. The amazing thing about electric motors is that there is no dip in the torque or build up of power.

According to BMW the electric bike outperforms the 650cc petrol scooters and it certainly seems sprightly. A claimed 0-30mph in 2.55 seconds seems about right and on the go the C evolution happily keeps up with traffic and will even overtake in national speed limits. We saw 76mph show up on the speedo, just over the 75mph top speed BMW claims. And it handles like a petrol scooter.

Production dash would likely incorporate GPS
Production dash would likely incorporate GPS
With a claimed weight of 265kg it's only 4kg heavier than the petrol version and BMW keeps the batteries low in the frame to improve the handling. At low speed the electric bike is stable and easy to balance and although it's not quite as agile as the petrol bike at higher speeds, there isn't much in it. At the end of the day the electric bike is designed to handle a dual carriageway commute followed by an urban hack, so straight-line stability and easy low-speed handling are very accomplished. The oddest thing about riding the electric bike is hearing all the weird noises such as the fairing creaking and the suspension moving that are usually masked by the sound of a petrol engine...

Is this the future?
While the bike PH2 tested was very much a prototype, it was also remarkably well-finished and the engineers were all speaking about it happening within the next two years rather than being purely a design study. But there is a catch - cost.

Same batteries used in i Series cars
Same batteries used in i Series cars
Let's not beat about the bush, while we all love trees we also love cash and no matter how ecological a bike is, if it costs three times the amount of a petrol bike then it won't sell. However, as the C evolution shares the same batteries as BMW's electric cars, this will help reduce costs in the long run. BMW is also talking about 'leasing' the batteries to owners (or even the complete bike), again driving down costs. BMW claims the battery has a 10-year or 100,000 mile life with no degrade in performance. The battery will also be replaceable.

A 70 per cent recharge should take less than an hour and give you around 43 miles of riding while a full charge will give you about 60 miles. That's much nearer the figure required by your average commuter and as batteries increase in performance this will almost certainly increase by the time the scooter is launched.

C evolution a prototype for now
C evolution a prototype for now
Will a production bike vary much from this prototype? The bike PH2 tested already had ABS but the final version is also likely to have some kind of traction control system to tame that instant torque delivery. The production bike will almost certainly also have reverse (very simple on an electric bike) and GPS built into the dash.

Have we just ridden the future of urban commuting? For someone who just wants to commute to and from the office then the C evolution is certainly the first viable electric bike . Cost is certain to be a limiting factor, as is the UK's lack of enthusiasm for maxi scooters, but it's down to BMW to change car drivers' perspective on bikes.

60-mile range and 75mph flat out
60-mile range and 75mph flat out
And that's where the market lies. An owner of an i3 or i8 will be used to electric vehicles and willing to embrace the technology in their commute, hopefully swapping four for two wheels to beat traffic congestion in town. Bikers may be less willing to swap as you are still very limited with what you can do on an electric bike but this may very well change if 'fast charging' points are located at petrol stations. Is electric the future? It is certainly a future if not the future and seeing how it develops in the years to come will be very interesting.

 

 


BMW C EVOLUTION
Engine:
electric motor with 8kWh of storage capacity
Power: 35Kw
Torque: 72Nm
Top speed: 75mph
Weight: 265kg
Range: 60miles
Price: TBC

Author
Discussion

avelkov

Original Poster:

15 posts

142 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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So who's gonna make a Power Chip to unleash the full 35kW then?

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

227 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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Heavy, stealth-silent large scooter. Just what Fleegle needs to encounter in his parking spot.

Actually I'm not convinced that a silent commuter isn't a recipe for trouble- especially as far as pedestrians are concerned ??

grahamr88

421 posts

173 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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avelkov said:
So who's gonna make a Power Chip to unleash the full 35kW then?
I think it already makes 35 kW, it's just the average power is 11 kW, so it can be ridden on an L plate with just a CBT even though the peak power is 46 hp. I suspect if this takes off then a legislation change may not be far behind!

Jon Urry

28 posts

150 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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Yep, it's full power and only reduced on the average test result. Can't see this law staying for long either...

3doorPete

9,917 posts

234 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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2 6 5 kg.... for a scooter

laugh

Nice try BMW, but I'll stick with my 12bhp, 98kg, 120mpg, 70mph Honda Innova to commute on.

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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3doorPete said:
2 6 5 kg.... for a scooter

laugh

Nice try BMW, but I'll stick with my 12bhp, 98kg, 120mpg, 70mph Honda Innova to commute on.
I've read of a few scooters tipping the scales at about that nowadays. It's not exceptionally heavy by any means.

I can't recite their names because frankly I don't give a st enough to remember them.

ETA: Alright admittedly it has a bigger engine (does that matter on a scooter?) but a Yamaha T-Max is 217 KG.

Hellbound

2,500 posts

176 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0jBJjZ4mWQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGQ7J0_YyKI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-l5q16EOPg

I think it's great, and it looks bloody quick.

Check out the video at 01:50s for onboard acceleration;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bjvecC6pOg

Edited by Hellbound on Wednesday 15th August 12:35

JaguarsportXJR

235 posts

143 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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I appreciate I'm opening myself up for a torrent of abuse here involving people pointing out that "it means great things for the future" and all that, but I just can't help but ask in a slightly sarcastic tone:

Was anyone else barely able to contain their excitement when they saw an article about a £300k electric scooter on PistonHeads? smile

JaguarsportXJR

235 posts

143 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
quotequote all
I appreciate I'm opening myself up for a torrent of abuse here involving people pointing out that "it means great things for the future" and all that, but I just can't help but ask in a slightly sarcastic tone:

Was anyone else barely able to contain their excitement when they saw an article about a £300k electric scooter on PistonHeads? smile

dr.pepper

634 posts

194 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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3doorPete said:
2 6 5 kg.... for a scooter

laugh

Nice try BMW, but I'll stick with my 12bhp, 98kg, 120mpg, 70mph Honda Innova to commute on.
265?

Imagine dropping that thing on your foot. I guess in these early days, this kind of tech will carry a bit of weight.

Numeric

1,396 posts

151 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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I have to say with just a bit more "real" range, say 120 miles, that'd be a very feasible vehicle if cost was contained.

Maybe it's just me but I find so many journeys would be about the 70 mile round trip mark that running to the wire and running out of go would just kill my ability to consider this, but with a bit of spare I could easily see this as a second vehicle - more so than an electric car.

dapearson

4,310 posts

224 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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Vectrix have had something very similar available for a few years now. I test rode one a couple of years ago in Cambridge. Great fun. Regenerative braking by twisting the throttle grip forwards was the best bit.

They haven't sold well though.

iain1970

239 posts

162 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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Problem 1: Drivers can only ride a moped without doing a further test. The Government need to make it that drivers can ride up to a 125cc with a category B licence, like they do in France. If they do that, more drivers will be encouraged to move to a smaller single occupancy vehicle for commuting and short distance journeys.

Problem 2: Electric vehicles ALWAYS cost more than the equivalent petrol vehicle when you take running costs into consideration. Can you imaging walking into Swiss Tony's car dealership, picking out your 1.6 litre Eurobox and then when it comes to paying for it, you have to pay for three or four years petrol there and then? This is what happens with electric vehicles, yet are marketed as cheap to run on the basis of zero VED and CC free (because we all live and drive in London). I looked at the price of a Renault Twizy for use over my 16 mile return journey commute. Just the battery lease on it was dearer than covering the maximum quoted battery range in my Altea, so staying diesel was a no brainer.

When (and if) the electric dream becomes reality, i.e. that electric personal transportation is cheaper than fossil fueled options, then it will prevail where range exceeds day to day demands. Until then, they will remain a costly novelty.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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dr.pepper said:
3doorPete said:
2 6 5 kg.... for a scooter

laugh

Nice try BMW, but I'll stick with my 12bhp, 98kg, 120mpg, 70mph Honda Innova to commute on.
265?

Imagine dropping that thing on your foot. I guess in these early days, this kind of tech will carry a bit of weight.
That's nearly as much as a Pan ffs! infact it's more than a HD Sportster!

3doorPete

9,917 posts

234 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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Hooli said:
dr.pepper said:
3doorPete said:
2 6 5 kg.... for a scooter

laugh

Nice try BMW, but I'll stick with my 12bhp, 98kg, 120mpg, 70mph Honda Innova to commute on.
265?

Imagine dropping that thing on your foot. I guess in these early days, this kind of tech will carry a bit of weight.
That's nearly as much as a Pan ffs! infact it's more than a HD Sportster!
More than a ZZR1400 fully fuelled. Also looks like the underseat storage is nil. A major selling point on a maxi.



Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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3doorPete said:
Hooli said:
dr.pepper said:
3doorPete said:
2 6 5 kg.... for a scooter

laugh

Nice try BMW, but I'll stick with my 12bhp, 98kg, 120mpg, 70mph Honda Innova to commute on.
265?

Imagine dropping that thing on your foot. I guess in these early days, this kind of tech will carry a bit of weight.
That's nearly as much as a Pan ffs! infact it's more than a HD Sportster!
More than a ZZR1400 fully fuelled. Also looks like the underseat storage is nil. A major selling point on a maxi.
Never thought of the storage, but your right - it's pointless getting a maxi if you can't store st in it.

btdk5

1,852 posts

190 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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I dont see in any way how this will be more economical than a petrol scooter.

What is the point in it??

Sorry - i see its the same power as a 650cc not 125.

Edited by btdk5 on Wednesday 15th August 14:14

bobalog

77 posts

227 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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Wether this particular example is the future or not, IMO electric scooters make way more sense than electric cars. And I don't see the range as an issue if it's your commuting vehicle.

norty

19 posts

149 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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EVs still ask a premium purchase price to fuelled vehicles because of much discussed battery costs... think early mobile phones. But running costs are materially lower:

Servicing is a software upgrade and check of the braking system.

Fully charging an 8 Kwh battery will cost £1 at my peak rate, less overnight on off-peak, versus about £6 for a gallon of petrol, assuming you get 70mpg.

Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Wednesday 15th August 2012
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i find this far more tempting than that POS twizzy