RE: You Know You Want To: Brock's Holden Commodore

RE: You Know You Want To: Brock's Holden Commodore

Wednesday 29th August 2012

You Know You Want To: Brock's Holden Commodore

The other star of THAT video, Brock's heroic sounding V8 Commodore is up for sale



Off the back of the legendary Peter Brock Bathurst lap we put up yesterday as a Time For Tea? PHer LostCroc chipped in with some fabulous recollections of having raced there and shaved four seconds off his lap time simply after tapping Brock up for a few tips. With disarming nonchalance he then mentioned - "'if anyone's interested" - that the very car Brock drove in that amazing bit of footage is now up for sale. If anyone's interested? Of course we're interested!

One careful owner? Not quite, but a cool one
One careful owner? Not quite, but a cool one
OK, seeing the way Brock drove it you can hardly say it had an easy start in life. But it's a pretty agricultural piece of kit really so what's to fear? At a track day at Brands a couple of years back a couple of chaps turned up in ex-Police Senators, likely bought for just a few hundred quid, and looked to be having a whale of a time (appropriate analogy, given the size of the things) until the marshals black flagged them for having too much fun. Spoilsports!

Shared genes or not, you can hardly compare an old Senator with a Group A Aussie touring car but it goes to prove that whatever side of the world you live on and at whatever level there's fun to be had flinging apparently unsuitable barges around racetracks beyond the limits of what they should be capable of. It's a real man's car this too - just look at how much muscle Brock has to put into making it turn in, both hands on top of the wheel and almost lifting out of his seat with the effort, that monstrous V8 alternately belching black clouds of unburnt fuel and flames out of that drainpipe-like side exhaust while seemingly determined to smear the bodywork against Mount Panorama's unforgiving walls. Mega!

£250K for a V8 barge? We'll go for that
£250K for a V8 barge? We'll go for that
This one will cost a tad more than a ratty old Police patrol car too. The advert doesn't specify a price but LostCroc reckons it's worth "north of A$375K" or getting on for a quarter of a million of your Pommie pounds. Which is enough.

But if you need inspiration just watch that video again and listen to the noise. Still not convinced? Here's some more in-car of Brock in the race that followed that amazing qualifying lap, chasing down a Skyline and a Cosworth Sierra. Cool cars both, and quicker than the Holden too. But once you've heard the noise from inside the Commodore neither gets a look in. OK, you won't be able to drive it like Brock. But you can live the dream just a little bit. And that's got to be worth a plane ticket to the other side of the world.


HOLDEN COMMODORE GROUP A
Price:
£250,000 (estimated)
Why you should: A legendary car, driven by a legendary driver; the reason we love V8s in one simple package
Why you shouldn't: You'll be taking your life in your hands shipping it out of Australia; you won't be able to drive it like Brock

See the original advert here.


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JamesHayward

Original Poster:

655 posts

164 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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I had VL Commodore (shape before this) that I bought for it's running gear. In a weird way I kinda miss it...

Krikkit

26,513 posts

181 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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What an epic piece of machinery. How practical would it be as a track car? Presumably if you had the engine rebuilt in a less lairy tune it would be fairly reliable?

Veeayt

3,139 posts

205 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Was that a Peter Jackson LotR King Kong Sierra racecar overtaking?

ukmike2000

476 posts

168 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Mega car - but for 250k I would want an accompanying video clip where it wasn't trounced by a Sierra Cossie.

Now excuse me - I must get on the classifieds to find a Vauxhall Senator and a spare V8

DanDC5

18,773 posts

167 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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That's some serious motorsport history. Be good to see it flying up Lord March's driveway....

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

236 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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those RS500's were really dominating motorsport back in the day - not bad for an old pinto lump !

the aussies had thier noses put out of joint by the GTR and Sierra's, i am not sure they liked the pommie cars showing them how it was done

i had a Holden VN - was really fun to drive, you have to love the aussie mentality - stick a big engine in it !

for those thast are interested a bit more RS500 fun - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-9sExObMs

vetrof

2,484 posts

173 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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All kinds of rumours of getting round the rules back then.

NOS in the roll cages, fuel lines several centimetres in diamater to get round fuel tank capacity regs.

The wild wild west. Happy days.

mat205125

17,790 posts

213 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Racing unsuitably large barges will always be more fun and spectacular than any formula car.

Strawman

6,463 posts

207 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Gadgeroonie said:
the aussies had thier noses put out of joint by the GTR and Sierra's, i am not sure they liked the pommie cars showing them how it was done
Didn't they change the rules so only 2wd cars could compete? Nissan stopped competing for a while after that I think.

Reardy Mister

13,757 posts

222 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Ooh its like a great big Bathurst/Grp A/Peter Brock love-in.

The majority of Brock's old cars are owned by this guy in Queensland. They were on display up until recently but that link reveals, the display is now shut, which is a shame.

Same chap who owns them also bought the HDT name. HDT was the Holden Dealer Team, a network of Holden dealers licensed to sell and maintain cars specially prepared by Peter Brock's workshop. They fell out (long story) and the phoenix out of those ashes was Tom Walkinshaw's HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) which now produces the VXR8s and Monaro VXRs that were on sale here.

Well HDT now fettle Commodores again in much the same way HSV do, although on a smaller scale. Many of the styling kits are deliberately reminscent of the old Peter Brock cars (I like the VH Group 3 best) but you can now buy a healthy alternative to an HSV and for me the HDT is far nicer and more exclusive than the HSV. Its still a lot of money to drop on a Holden, but I drove one last year and was very very impressed. Its where my money would go, had I the choice.



If you dont remember the HDT VK COmmodore, I dont imagine you're going like that much ^^^ hehe

On my euromillions list would be a trip to this guy's collection and start haggling over one of the VL or VK Grp A cars. Afterall, everything is for sale!

ETA:

I even lashed up a Forza effort on a Monaro boxedin



EATA: You have to be *very* careful in Oz buying "ex Brock" cars, as people will slap that label on anything. For instance, this one may have come from Perkins engineering and been built for *someone*. but was it actually a Brock car? TO my eye there are few things not quite right about the one for sale. Im inclined to think they are different cars, although closely related. Although obviously they are changed/rebuilt crashed over the years. Its not quite faithful enough to be original and not perfect enough to be a good repro.

scratchchin

Hmmm....the front end looks a little more VN than VP to me.



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tomoleeds

770 posts

186 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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£250,is he being serious?

vetrof

2,484 posts

173 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Reardy Mister said:
They fell out (long story)


The old 'Energy Polarizer'

Reardy Mister said:
I like the VH Group 3 best
Now you're talking.

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/holden-...



http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-BROCK-HDT-VK-GRO...

Reardy Mister

13,757 posts

222 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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vetrof said:
Reardy Mister said:
I like the VH Group 3 best
Now you're talking.

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/holden-...
Oddly, thats actually a VK Calais.

Here's a VH SS Grp 3



and HDT's modern incarnation:



cloud9

Reardy Mister

13,757 posts

222 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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For you Brits, the most interesting of all Brock's HDT cars (and a favourite of mine) was probably this V8 Opel Monza.

Brock was looking for a successor to the Torana and I think he struck gold here and in fact, probably wasnt far off creating the modern day Monaro, way before Holden did. But as with so many good automotive projects, ADR's killed it stone dead.

vetrof

2,484 posts

173 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Doh, schoolboy error.

Dave Hedgehog

14,546 posts

204 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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lovely car but i would prefer the cossie

garypotter

1,498 posts

150 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
lovely car but i would prefer the cossie
Agree, but what a noise from the V8, long live youtube so the world will know what they sound like in a few years time when we are all buzzing around in casio powered peds!

Dave Hedgehog

14,546 posts

204 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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garypotter said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
lovely car but i would prefer the cossie
Agree, but what a noise from the V8, long live youtube so the world will know what they sound like in a few years time when we are all buzzing around in casio powered peds!
the world has gone silent to many of the joys of our youth and is a sad place for it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEK7POxpVeE


mat205125

17,790 posts

213 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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Reardy Mister said:
Oddly, thats actually a VK Calais.

Here's a VH SS Grp 3



and HDT's modern incarnation:



cloud9
That's a fantastic homage, especially the wheels.

I recall when I was young, my "modifier" uncle had a Capri with those fins running along the wings to "channel the airflow up and over the car to push it into the ground" .... as a primary school lad, they were the coolest addition to any car, and I made some recreations from platicine for my RC car cloud9

andy rob

652 posts

222 months

Wednesday 29th August 2012
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DanDC5 said:
That's some serious motorsport history. Be good to see it flying up Lord March's driveway....
2 years ago when I was there @ goodwood the similar era perkins/ingall commodore was there