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RE: Facelifted R8 vs 991 Carrera 4

RE: Facelifted R8 vs 991 Carrera 4

Friday 26th October 2012

Facelifted R8 vs 991 Carrera 4

No, we haven't scored the first twin test but for all you spec nerds here are the numbers!



It's probably absolutely no coincidence whatsoever that Audi holds the launch for its facelifted R8 range on exactly the same day as Porsche invites hacks to drive the all-new 991 Carrera 4. The comparison of how the two actually square up to each other on the road is something that'll likely involve Mr Harris and some tyre smoke. In the absence of that, in the meantime at least, here is how the two face up to each other on paper.

V8 R8 compares well with Carrera 4 S
V8 R8 compares well with Carrera 4 S
Truth be told the two ranges aren't exactly in line, the Carrera 4 starting at £77,924 for a manual coupe and peaking at £99,006 for a 4 S Cabriolet with PDK. The R8 is, arguably, a class above and starts at £91,575 for a V8 manual coupe, rising to £127,575 for the new V10 Plus.

It's the same in power terms, the entry level 911 offering 350hp against the R8 V8's 430hp and the 4 S's 400hp falling way short of the 'basic' V10's 525hp.

Fundamental similarities remain though. Both are junior supercars with respectable prestige badges that won't scare the neighbours in the way something saucier like an Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lambo or McLaren might. An affirmative nod rather than a raised eyebrow and the whiff of trying too hard, if you will. Both are built from aluminium and are four-wheel drive, all-weather capable, happy to be used every day for 'normal' driving and both, now, can be had with seven-speed dual-clutch gearboxes that pretty much tick all the boxes of ease of use, residual protection and a nod towards real world fuel consumption and CO2. Crucially both are now acceptable choices in two-pedal form for the more purist end of their respective markets too. Quietly both have become, for the sake of a few options, six-figure purchases too.

And in the middle of the ranges - Carrera 4 S and R8 V8 - the overlap is pretty close. Price, performance, weight - all are to within a smidge of each other meaning anyone with £90K-plus to spend and the desire to own a prestige, four-wheel drive German sports car should be bending the ear of both Audi and Porsche sales execs.

Head says Porsche has it. Heart though?
Head says Porsche has it. Heart though?
So which is it to be? Well, having gone through the numbers if you're looking for an everyday option there's little doubt the Porsche absolutely nails the Audi in one crucial respect. Two, if you include token rear seats. But stats wise 218g/km and 31mpg for a PDK 4 S are figures you could just about live with on the daily commute. 22.9mpg and 289g/km are big improvements for the new S tronic V8 R8 but, running costs wise, put you in a very different league indeed. And the 991 is essentially a brand-new car, the R8 an updated version of one that's been on the market six years now. Against that, even with the Audi badge on it, it does come across as a lot more exotic than the near ubiquitous (in some districts) Carrera.

Numbers for your crunching pleasure below. But which is actually the more desirable? Over to you...


 

  Carrera 4 Carrera 4 S R8 V8 R8 V10 R8 V10 Plus
Price (from)

£77,924

£80,311*

£87,959

£90,346*

£91,575

£94,475*

£112,675

£115,575*

£124,675

£127,575*

Engine 3.4 flat-6 3.8 flat-6 4.2 V8 5.2 V10 5.2 V10
hp@rpm 350@7,400 400@7,400 430@7,900 525@8,000 550@8,000
lb ft@rpm 288@5,600 324@5,600 317@4,500 391@6,500 398@6,500
kg (EC) 1,505/1,525* 1,520/1,540* 1,560/1,585* 1,620/1,645* 1,570/1,595
g/km 219/203* 234/215* 332/289* 346/305* 346/299*
mpg (comb.) 30.4/32.8* 28.5/31* 19.9/22.8* 19.0/21.6* 19/21.9*
vmax 177/175* 185/184* 187/186* 196/195* 198/197*
0-62mph 4.9/4.7* 4.5/4.3* 4.6/4.3* 3.9/3.6* 3.8/3.5*
  *PDK *PDK *S tronic *S tronic *S tronic

All figures and prices for coupe variants.

 

 

Author
Discussion

MarkAbarth500

Original Poster:

26 posts

69 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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My heart still hasnt been won over by the Porsche styling...

enroz

98 posts

88 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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Oh to have the choice!

fastgerman

1,464 posts

118 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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911 every day!

Isn't half the R8 outsourced to the Hungarians...

Luca Brasi

866 posts

97 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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911, Aston, Maser etc. everyday of the week. R8 does nothing for me, even though it's probably a brilliant car to drive.

boolay

1,521 posts

161 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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Surely the V10's rival is the Turbo? Whenever that is due to launch
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Carl_Docklands

4,541 posts

185 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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Dear OP, you missed out one variant. The C4S with X51 pack - 430BHP + £9,388.00

sinbaddio

884 posts

99 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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The R8 has been a grower over the years but still a 911 for me....

LordHaveMurci

8,565 posts

92 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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991 every time. Controversial though it may be, the R8 is just a TT to many people & has never floated my boat, desirable though it is.

ecs0set

2,030 posts

207 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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The 911 looks very long these days. Carrera 2S please, no 4wd required.

Although I'd have the Aston V8V first, followed by the F-Type...

StottyZr

6,580 posts

86 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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I think the R8 looks better, but the fuel consumption and C02 is woeful.

Neither is a clear winner.

I'll take a GTR please confused

Soovy

35,824 posts

194 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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R8.

No question.

But a £45k used V8.


edo

16,382 posts

188 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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C4S for me - but close call.

Mr Whippy

21,070 posts

164 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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R8 for me too.

I know this sounds silly, but watching the new 911 megafactories, and then the R8 megafactories, Audi put a lot more effort into the R8, and you get a lot more for your money, than you appear to get when you pick up a 911.


Dave

RS404

310 posts

125 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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I'm starting to get a bit obsessed with this new 991, it's just so gorgeous. I think three years wages on a car is excessive though........ It is isn't it?

gbbird

5,182 posts

167 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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R8 every time.

Mastodon2

12,565 posts

88 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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I would have to be the 911 for me. In typical PH fashion, I'd rather have a used 996 GT2 though!

soad

27,877 posts

99 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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boolay said:
Surely the V10's rival is the Turbo? Whenever that is due to launch
You'd think so - more horsepower and similar price to V10 variant.

goron59

397 posts

94 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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R8 for me (but then I do own one)

For me, the ordinary 911s are completely uninteresting; that and it's the banker's choice - Canary Wharf is crawling with them.

edo

16,382 posts

188 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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Here is mine - if someone could wrap and deliver it before Christmas day that would be great.

Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Coupe

991421 911 Carrera 4S Coupe £ 81,232.00

Exterior Colour N4 Dark Blue Metallic £ 801.00
Interior Colour AZ Black leather interior £ 2,201.00
Exterior 567 Top tinted windscreen £ 77.00
636 ParkAssist (front and rear) £ 639.00
653 Electric glass slide/tilt sunroof £ 1,530.00
748 Electric folding exterior mirrors £ 202.00
P13 Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor £ 372.00
XEX Bi-Xenon headlights in black incl.Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)Exclusive £ 878.00
Transmission / Chassis 031 Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control(PDCC) incl. PASM sports chassis (20mm lower)£ 2,744.00
450 Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake(PCCB)£ 5,787.00
X51 Powerkit Carrera S Exclusive £ 9,388.00
Wheels 427 20-inch Carrera Classic wheel £ 728.00
Wheel Accessories 446 Wheel Centres £ 109.00
482 Tyre Pressure monitoring system (TPM) £ 437.00
XRP Wheel spacers, 5mm Exclusive £ 235.00
Interior 342 Heated seats £ 320.00
345 Heated steering wheel £ 182.00
541 Seat ventilation £ 720.00
810 Floor mats £ 121.00
P07 Adaptive sports seats plus, electrical 18 way £ 2,226.00
XSX Guards Red seat belts Exclusive £ 275.00
Interior Leather EEA Leather interior package Exclusive £ 368.00
XHB Leather centre console trim Exclusive £ 162.00
XNG Leather instrument surround Exclusive £ 182.00
XNS Leather steering column casing Exclusive £ 223.00
XSC Porsche crest embossed on head restraints Exclusive £ 138.00
Audio / Communications 619 Mobile phone preparation £ 445.00
676 TV tuner £ 1,044.00
682 Burmester® High-End Surround Sound System £ 2,986.00
P23 Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module with universal audio interface £ 2,120.00
T93 Porsche Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) £ 1,140.00
UN1 Online Services £ 121.00
Others A01 3rd Year Porsche Assistance £ 169.00
WO5 3rd Year Warranty £ 1,020.00
Total price £ 121,322.00


tr7v8

5,635 posts

151 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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991 all day long, the R8 looks just like the rest of the Audi dross.