£3.5million for a Mac F1
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Wow that's a lot of money, if this article is accurate then these cars seem to be going up and up in price!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4628715/...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4628715/...
Seems odd as he said on twitter that the price was confidential.
How anyone can believe what he says since his racial rants and cowardly backtracking is beyond me. As I said previously one of my colleagues refuses to deal with him nowadays as he couldn't take anymore of his lies. He did say that dealing with the father was a pleasure but the son is just a horrid little man.
How anyone can believe what he says since his racial rants and cowardly backtracking is beyond me. As I said previously one of my colleagues refuses to deal with him nowadays as he couldn't take anymore of his lies. He did say that dealing with the father was a pleasure but the son is just a horrid little man.
Initial reaction to the OP was "wow....." but then I saw the self-publicist attached to the headline.
It may be true, but TH are masters of publicity. Wasn't it TH that had the £1m numberplate...that apparently didn't sell for anywhere near £1m? Got them loads of publicity though, as will this. So good luck to them, mission accomplished.
It may be true, but TH are masters of publicity. Wasn't it TH that had the £1m numberplate...that apparently didn't sell for anywhere near £1m? Got them loads of publicity though, as will this. So good luck to them, mission accomplished.
Pork said:
Initial reaction to the OP was "wow....." but then I saw the self-publicist attached to the headline.
It may be true, but TH are masters of publicity. Wasn't it TH that had the £1m numberplate...that apparently didn't sell for anywhere near £1m? Got
them loads of publicity though, as will this. So good luck to them, mission accomplished.
Self publicity is one thing, lying through your teeth is quite another.It may be true, but TH are masters of publicity. Wasn't it TH that had the £1m numberplate...that apparently didn't sell for anywhere near £1m? Got
them loads of publicity though, as will this. So good luck to them, mission accomplished.
This article has a bit more information: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228148/Mc...
Streetrod said:
Does anyone know the chassis number for that car? Wheres Peloton when you you need him..
chassis #059 
munch997 said:
Is that a 'normal' road F1 with the Aerokit and HID headlight upgrade?
Yup, although the headlights have had more than just the HID's - it's the only F1 to have had them, possibly from new, although the High Down Force [HDF] kit was not on there from newThat particular car also has LM wheels...
Actually, I think this is the car that the owner had fully customized by Mclaren to include the HDK, suspension mods, wheels etc and was said by the team of engineers to be the best F1 ever on the road/track as it still retains its original road car interior.
Very nice.
Chris
Actually, I think this is the car that the owner had fully customized by Mclaren to include the HDK, suspension mods, wheels etc and was said by the team of engineers to be the best F1 ever on the road/track as it still retains its original road car interior.
Very nice.
Chris
Edited by toohuge on Monday 5th November 21:03
toohuge said:
That particular car also has LM wheels...
Actually, I think this is the car that the owner had fully customized by Mclaren to include the HDK, suspension mods, wheels etc and was said by the team of engineers to be the best F1 ever on the road/track as it still retains its original road car interior.
That quote was made about #073, which also had engine upgrades that brought the power level equal to the LM. There are a total of 10 F1s that have been fitted with the downforce kit over the years - two with the added power upgrades as well. Actually, I think this is the car that the owner had fully customized by Mclaren to include the HDK, suspension mods, wheels etc and was said by the team of engineers to be the best F1 ever on the road/track as it still retains its original road car interior.
This car Tom sold is an excellent specimen - one of the few that was still in the hands of its original owner so scoring the sale was perhaps a bit of a coup. Though he has been accused of some chest pumping in the past I don't doubt the price - certainly not by any large percentage.
Rumor has it this F1 is coming to the USA now so I hope to get a chance to see it!
>8^)
ER
According to last months Octane the Davidoff F1 GTR Longtail race car recently sold for approx $3.5 million so why is the Hartley car worth £3.5 million?
Is it really that special? A car with a history but an unspectacular history?
If I had the money I know which one I would buy - & it wouldn't be the Hartley car.
I would want a car with a known history & some proper history which the Davidoff car has got.
Not sure why he would want to release details of the sale - cannot imagine that the new owner will be too impressed having the sale price made public.
Is it really that special? A car with a history but an unspectacular history?
If I had the money I know which one I would buy - & it wouldn't be the Hartley car.
I would want a car with a known history & some proper history which the Davidoff car has got.
Not sure why he would want to release details of the sale - cannot imagine that the new owner will be too impressed having the sale price made public.
I've got no dog in the fight over TH or his business practices. All I can say is that in my opinion that price quoted in the article for #059 is not surprising based on the information that has come my way in the past 6 months. At least six McLaren F1s have changed hands this year at ever increasing prices. Some of this jump in values may be aided by all the attention being given to McLaren's current road car efforts and some of it surely was helped by the 20th Anniversary events that have happened in the past two years, both in Woking and in Italy.
I was there for the non-sale of the Davidoff GTR during the Bonhams auction in Monterey. The bidding actually reached $3.3M for the car and that wasn't enough to meet the reserve. They claim that afterwards they were able to come to an agreement on price and sold it for about $3.5M. Perhaps...
One of the things you have to keep in mind though is that historically F1 GTRs have sold for less money than their road car counterparts. There is a much smaller market for people looking for GTRs than road cars and the price difference when recorded in the past has generally been about 75% of the road car market values. GTRs that have been converted for road use like Andy's do better than that as they are seen as dual-purpose but the longtail GTRs don't have that option available. While some might consider owning an F1 GTR to be the ultimate track day toy, there are plenty of less expensive ways to go just as fast or faster on track for a lower entry price and with much lower operating costs.
All GTRs were not created equally either. The two things that the Davidoff car had going for it were that it carries the last chassis number (#28R) of all the race versions built and it wore the iconic Gulf livery. The things working against it were that it was a spare car and had rather lackluster race results once it came into use. The driver's were not names that are typically well recognized and it never raced at Le Mans which is a big thing for a car of that class. It also had sat unused for more than a decade and lacked any spares, which is again critical if a new buyer actually intended to use the car. Finally it had a broken windshield - probably one of the most expensive pieces of glass ever made. It looked sharp, and Bonhams did everything they could to generate interest, but $3.5M was all the money for that particular car.
>8^)
ER
I was there for the non-sale of the Davidoff GTR during the Bonhams auction in Monterey. The bidding actually reached $3.3M for the car and that wasn't enough to meet the reserve. They claim that afterwards they were able to come to an agreement on price and sold it for about $3.5M. Perhaps...
One of the things you have to keep in mind though is that historically F1 GTRs have sold for less money than their road car counterparts. There is a much smaller market for people looking for GTRs than road cars and the price difference when recorded in the past has generally been about 75% of the road car market values. GTRs that have been converted for road use like Andy's do better than that as they are seen as dual-purpose but the longtail GTRs don't have that option available. While some might consider owning an F1 GTR to be the ultimate track day toy, there are plenty of less expensive ways to go just as fast or faster on track for a lower entry price and with much lower operating costs.
All GTRs were not created equally either. The two things that the Davidoff car had going for it were that it carries the last chassis number (#28R) of all the race versions built and it wore the iconic Gulf livery. The things working against it were that it was a spare car and had rather lackluster race results once it came into use. The driver's were not names that are typically well recognized and it never raced at Le Mans which is a big thing for a car of that class. It also had sat unused for more than a decade and lacked any spares, which is again critical if a new buyer actually intended to use the car. Finally it had a broken windshield - probably one of the most expensive pieces of glass ever made. It looked sharp, and Bonhams did everything they could to generate interest, but $3.5M was all the money for that particular car.
>8^)
ER
As someone who, unless the numbers come in, will probably not own an F1, I would have to say a silver road car is the one that appeals to me. The model sold by Tom Hartley looks absolutely stunning and, has been stated, is a one owner car.
The race cars don't appeal to me because they can't be driven on the road and the converted race cars don't appeal either because while they may be incredibly quick they are no longer original.
Also, this car is, it appears, an unblemished example maintained without cost. It hasn't been crashed, extensively modified, converted from track use, or burned to a crisp. Some models have.
The RM car a few years ago was, I'm guessing, the best F1 because it was pretty much brand-new. I imagine that car came onto the market in the same circumstances today then it would be fetching considerably more than £3.5 million.
The race cars don't appeal to me because they can't be driven on the road and the converted race cars don't appeal either because while they may be incredibly quick they are no longer original.
Also, this car is, it appears, an unblemished example maintained without cost. It hasn't been crashed, extensively modified, converted from track use, or burned to a crisp. Some models have.
The RM car a few years ago was, I'm guessing, the best F1 because it was pretty much brand-new. I imagine that car came onto the market in the same circumstances today then it would be fetching considerably more than £3.5 million.
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