RE: PH2 ridden: Zero DS

RE: PH2 ridden: Zero DS

Monday 26th November 2012

PH2 ridden: Zero DS

Electric cars we know about, but electric bikes? Yup, on the way too



Like it or not, there is no doubt that electric vehicles will be part of our collective motoring future. Never to be accused of Luddite tendencies, PH2 donned its best padded tank-top (well, it worked for Marty McFly in Back to the Future) and sampled Zero’s DS – a fully road legal electric bike you can actually buy.

Instant torque limited to prevent wheelies
Instant torque limited to prevent wheelies
What’s the catch?
Ok, let’s get the bad news out of the way first. The DS costs £11,795. Well it did new, this is an ex-demo and because the bike is being updated for 2013, most Zeros for sale now in the UK are also ex-demos priced around £9,500, which is the same as a secondhand 2011 Fireblade. Eek. What do you get? A fully electric bike with 29hp, a claimed 112-mile range, 80mph top speed and nine-hour recharge from flat.

The Fireblade makes about 160hp and does 140 miles to a tank with five minutes to fill plus an extra two to stuff a chocolate bar down your neck. But you have to pay upwards of £1.40 a litre on a ’blade, making a full tank cost about £24.

The Zero takes 9kWh to recharge, costing 26p (or 5p at night on economy seven) so that’s £0.04 per mile against the Blade’s 17p. Then there is the servicing. A service on a ’blade is about £250. The Zero requires no servicing. The only things that get used are brake pads and tyres. But what about when the battery dies?

Range (of) issues
Zero claims a range of 114 miles, but I killed the battery in just 33 miles. I was riding in my usual style, which is fairly rapid but all the same that’s pretty miserable. After 26 miles I had just under half a ‘tank’ left so I decided to ride it to a nearby power station for a cool picture – the irony wasn’t missed when I had to turn home due to a lack of battery power. 33 miles and the battery was basically flat with the gauge flashing a warning to charge up. The charge point is pretty badly placed on the 2012 bike, directly in the line of fire for road crap but this is changing next year.

Belt drive and ungainly pulley look odd
Belt drive and ungainly pulley look odd
After leaving the Zero plugged in overnight I returned to it the next day to discover a flat battery. User error, I hadn’t plugged it in properly, but with no charging light I had no way of discovering this until it was too late. Nine hours to recharge meant that I couldn’t ride the bike that day, which was annoying and highlights another issue with battery power.

Slight charging hiccup over come I retried the Zero’s range in ‘economy’ mode. Which seems to cut response and therefore acceleration and speed. Riding below 60mph and taking care not to abuse the throttle I managed 27 miles and returned home with 2 bars under the halfway point on the battery charge meter showing. Better than before but I reckon only about 20 miles left until the battery went flat, meaning a range of 45 miles.

Is this the future?
Electric vehicles certainly do have a part in our two-wheeled (and four-wheeled) future.  Just look at the electric TT on the Isle of Man this year for evidence of how impressive they can be. But at the moment they are too expensive and limited in their use.

In town a Zero may make sense as you should be able to get over 80 miles on a battery, but the cost is just so high. Battery life will extend and the price will drop but that is the future, this is now.

Charging point vulnerable to road grime
Charging point vulnerable to road grime
I liked the Zero, it is usable, is fast enough to entertain and has a decent-ish range when ridden correctly. I reckon ‘normal’ riding would pretty much guarantee 40 miles out of a battery and if you get into the habit of sticking it on charge every night then you could use it for short hops. Next year’s bike will do 60 miles in ‘idiot riding mode’ which is a threshold crossed – 30 miles each way is a decent journey.

If the Zero was, say, £5,000 or £6,000 it may be an option over the likes of the SV or Hornet for an urban commuter. But it isn’t. Could leasing be the future? I could see a commuter paying a set amount a month to lease one, which would take the sting out of the price and is certainly an option. Zero is offering PCP on its 2013 bikes with £199 monthly premiums, which is a start.

Zero is a big player in the electric bike market and the Californian company is not short of backing (it is owned by the same investors as Weight Watchers!) so it will crack this nut. If the Zero was a bit cheaper and did over 60 miles between charges irrespective of how you ride it I could be converted. It will never be a ‘first bike’ as it is too limited but as a zipping around town or to and from the local shop at £0.04 a mile and no tax it is an option.


ZERO DS ZF9
Engine:
Brushless electric motor
Power (hp): 29
Torque (lb ft): N/A
Top Speed: 80mph (max), 70mph (sustained)
Weight: 155kg
Range: 62 miles (US ‘Highway’ rating)
Price: £11,795

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Discussion

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Original Poster:

9,070 posts

179 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Current batteries are simply crap: too low a capacity per size and weight, plus too expensive. Until brand new battery technology is discoverd these are a waste of time.

That said, the bike itself looks fine.

Limpet

6,304 posts

161 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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lol - 125 performance and 45 miles ridden gently. What a completely pointless vehicle.

LiamB

7,929 posts

143 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Kill it with fire!

We don't need no electric st.

Just noticed it gets the same speeds as my bike, but only lasts 62 miles.. £7 of petrol gets be double that. I think..

Edited by LiamB on Monday 26th November 11:27

3DP

9,917 posts

234 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Off road style with fork stone deflectors, yet has a rear pulley that will hit the ground if the rear wheel drops into a small pothole...

No thanks.

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

227 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Limpet said:
lol - 125 performance and 45 miles ridden gently. What a completely pointless vehicle.
You forgot the-"Price of a 170 bhp superbike" bit too.

AndyDRZ

1,202 posts

236 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Sounds like they are getting close to being good.

This has similar weight/power/looks as my old DRZ.
The DRZ cost £4000 and had a range of about 75 miles when playing (But would do 65mpg when being restained as in your second ride)

Would take about 62000miles before the fuel cost caught up with the Zero (In fairness, the DRZs engine would probably be dust by then, not sure about the Zero's engine and batteries!)




dapearson

4,290 posts

224 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Test rode a Vectrix a few years ago. Terrific fun, but the claimed 60 mile range was optimistic.

Best bit was the twist grip throttle. Twist it forward (beyond the "off" position) and it applied regenerative braking. Very intuitive to use and good fun.

If they could make one that had a genuine 160 mile range at a steady 60mph, i'd have one.

y2blade

56,089 posts

215 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Will it wheelie?

toxgobbler

2,903 posts

191 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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+1 as a daily commuter, it's the range that puts me off. If I could have a guaranteed daily range of 80 miles it would make a lot of sense for a daily hack.

crashley

1,568 posts

180 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Not in a million years. If you've ever commuted in congested areas you'll realise how dangerous these things are- as they are virtually silent. Nobody can hear you coming at all- people will get hurt- both riders, and pedestrians.

Silent cars in central london are bad enough.

spareparts

6,777 posts

227 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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This is the best effort so far (I think) of this type of thing. Sad to hear the mileage claims are so far short of the truth though. frown

sanctum

191 posts

175 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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Am I the first person to spot the massive maths flaw, or have I missed something?

Quote : "112 mile range... full tank... 26p... =£0.04/mile"

By my maths, that should be £0.0023 per mile, Even if you only got 33 miles out of it, that's £0.008 per mile.

Bargain.

Yazza54

18,493 posts

181 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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I hate to say it but If they got the thing working properly at that quoted range and it didn't cost the earth I'd have one for commuting. They aren't ready yet but I do believe they're the future.

I really don't agree with electric sport bikes though but could live with a commuter leccy bike doing 12 miles a day. I think I'd always be worried about getting stranded somewhere though!!

btdk5

1,850 posts

190 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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These are going to make amazing commuting tools once the initial price drops and they improve the range.


spareparts

6,777 posts

227 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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btdk5 said:
These are going to make amazing commuting tools once the initial price drops and they improve the range.
+1

But the lack of noise really concerns me.

LiamB

7,929 posts

143 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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spareparts said:
+1

But the lack of noise really concerns me.
yes

Exactly what I was thinking.

3DP

9,917 posts

234 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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spareparts said:
btdk5 said:
These are going to make amazing commuting tools once the initial price drops and they improve the range.
+1

But the lack of noise really concerns me.
There is talk of a speaker system for cars to make fake engine noise.

Personally, if I had one, I'd want it to sound like one of the pod racers from the phantom menace.

btdk5

1,850 posts

190 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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spareparts said:
btdk5 said:
These are going to make amazing commuting tools once the initial price drops and they improve the range.
+1

But the lack of noise really concerns me.
Will it have a clutch??

If not your left arm will be free to hold a stereo blasting out rise of the valkyrie.

srobBNaB

11,586 posts

238 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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3DP said:
There is talk of a speaker system for cars to make fake engine noise.

Personally, if I had one, I'd want it to sound like one of the pod racers from the phantom menace.
We've got them fitted to cars at work. You can make it sound like anything, and it's linked in so it even simulates gearchanges and things I think hehe

This is expensive and not all that great compared to petrol bikes. Do you all really think that in 1900 people were riding about on Fireblades? This is the beginning. Bikes will develop over the years.

Would I buy one? No, not at that 'usablity' level, although I'm sure some people will. And hats off to them, as they'll fund the development of future models.

ETA; I'd have thought a silent green laner would be ideal. Would stop lots of the moaning from walkers/horse riders.

ode

184 posts

202 months

Monday 26th November 2012
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I like it. I'll have one with full-on MX knobblies please, belting out the noise of a tie-figher. Ace.

I take it everyone slagging it off is going to give up driving/riding when we run out of fuel or it becomes prohibitively expensive? Even better. Empty roads for the rest of us that aren't luddites... ;-)