RE: Porsche design boss quizzed

RE: Porsche design boss quizzed

Tuesday 27th November 2012

Porsche design boss quizzed

So, Mr Mauer, why DO all Porsches look the same? PH asks the tough questions



Let's get this out there straight away. Porsche's head of design Michael Mauer drives a Panamera and loves it. The fact that it's a Turbo S modified to give even more power than the standard 550hp must help, but then he did design this car.

In fact, he's designed all the range now apart from the Cayman, and the new version of that is expected to be unveiled this week at the LA show. So, the Porsche look is now his. Or, as much as it can be when you're bound by that tradition.

We've spoken to the head of exterior design Matthias Kulla recently about the 911, so now it's time we grilled the boss. Starting with:

"Even more evolutionary". The 911
"Even more evolutionary". The 911
Playing devil's advocate for a second here, why do all Porsches look the same?
We have a more evolutionary design strategy, we believe very strongly in brand identity and every new Porsche should be recognizable as a Porsche at first glance.

And then we differentiate between cars like the 911, which we consider the core of the brand where, yes we are even more evolutionary.

So why is it important for people to say, just by a glance, that's a Porsche?
One reason why people buy the car is because it is a Porsche. They want other people to know as well. And why should we should question our own successful recipe for the last 15 years?

Mauer pushing for the Panamera estate
Mauer pushing for the Panamera estate
Are they conservative then, your buyers?
They have a different attitude when it comes to products. For them it is less important it is just different. I have a feeling in today's society, it is often more important to be different. It is not more important to be better.

It was always a strategy from Porsche to improve things, to develop them, to cultivate certain strong ideas and so the products get this maturity. They are well thought through.

I admit, yes, if people really want something that always looks different for the sake it, then maybe the Porsche brand is not the right address for them.

But Porsche is moving into new niches. What can we expect in the future?
The most exciting thing right now is that we are being asked to develop, together with other departments, our ideas for the future of the brand. What other type of cars could complement Porsche in the future?

2013 Macan: the sports car of its segment
2013 Macan: the sports car of its segment
How many cars have you been asked to come up with?
A lot of cars.

Can you talk about them? There are rumours of a mid-engined supercar between 911 and the new 918.
We exploring a lot of different possibilities for the future. This [the mid-engined car] is one of these ideas for the Porsche brand, but there are a lot of other ideas and the CEO will have to take the decision because you can't do everything at once.

We liked the Sport Turismo shooting brake concept. Could this form part of the next Panamera range?
Personally I would like it to do it. Hopefully the success of this concept car will support this idea.

I believe it perfectly complements the Porsche brand that stands for combining sportiness and performance with functionality. I think this type of car is the essence of this vision. Personally I like it very much because it's a sports car with functionality that I use very much on today's Panamera.

Mauer: the perfect customer for Panamera
Mauer: the perfect customer for Panamera
The Panamera divides opinion. Do you regret the design of this car?
Porsche will always divide opinion. It didn't have a predecessor, and our offer is different to what people are used to. This is always the challenge, people have to get used to new concepts. At the end of the day, I prefer a product that has a lot of character.

The people who buy it are deeply convinced that it is different but very exciting. Sales this year are showing that a lot of people are liking this car.

I consider myself the perfect customer for that car. I love sports cars, I love to drive fast, but I always have to bring things with me, bicycles, skis, whatever. I just fold down the rear seats and it's a racing transporter.

So we can expect the same for the next one?
I don't know. We will start work on the next generation soon and there are lot of possibilities of how this will develop. I promise it won't be a conventional concept, however it will be modified due to the fact that we might have more bodystyles. The Panamera will never be a conventional three-box saloon.

Next year's Macan will be Porsche's second SUV. How do you reconcile Porsche's sports car roots with tall cars like this?
The tagline is that we offer in each and every segment the sports car. Which doesn't mean that each and every car is a 911 or a sports car, but in each segment we offer the most sporty version.

I think as soon as you see the Macan, you will understand it's typically representative of this segment, but the proportions and design language immediately visualizes this as the sports car in this segment.

550 Spyder. One of Mauer's icons
550 Spyder. One of Mauer's icons
What Porsches do you keep coming back to from the heritage collection?
I have to say... all the cars. Whenever I walk though the museum I'm always very much impressed by the variety and the amount of ideas, and the different solutions. I always discover something new.

Cars like the 550 Spyder, the 917 race cars, the 904, the 928, these are, apart from the 911, these are my icons within Porsche. But it's like asking parents who is the child you like the most. You like them all.

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umRacing

Original Poster:

20 posts

140 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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I dont care what people say.....That Panamera is LUSH!

fatboy b

9,493 posts

216 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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The Porsche head of Design said:
We have a more evolutionary design strategy, we believe very strong in brand identity and every new Porsche should be recognizable as a Porsche at first glance
What he meant to say was...
The Porsche head of Design said:
Porsche are stuck in a design-rut, and have been for years. I've no idea how to get out of it, but in the meantime, they're paying me loads to keep the cars looking the same

fatboy b

9,493 posts

216 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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umRacing said:
I dont care what people say.....
OK - I'll rise to it. It looks like the rest of the range - st

deanogtv

746 posts

220 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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umRacing said:
I dont care what people say.....That Panamera is LUSH!
I also love the Panamera, fugly but sexy at the same time

8vFTW

415 posts

153 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Never seen the point in all the people that moan about all 911's looking the same. It's been refined over the years but still has that iconic 911 look. It's also true that the shape is dictated by the way the car is packaged. The problem the designer faces is that if it isn't totally original it's "boring", but when something new and different does come along, people slam it.


BoRED S2upid

19,698 posts

240 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Its working very well for them why should they change it?

Someone needs to do some editing on that article.

Grovsie26

1,302 posts

167 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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8vFTW said:
Never seen the point in all the people that moan about all 911's looking the same. It's been refined over the years but still has that iconic 911 look. It's also true that the shape is dictated by the way the car is packaged. The problem the designer faces is that if it isn't totally original it's "boring", but when something new and different does come along, people slam it.
Not just the 911, they all look the same. The boxster, the cayman, panamera hell they even tried to make there SUV look the same.

cavebloke

641 posts

227 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Porsche said:
It is often more important to be different. It is not more important to be better.
Genius. What could be less different than buying a 911 like everyone else?

Grovsie26

1,302 posts

167 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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How about buying a 911 with stickers from halfords on it and a roll cage and straps for doors?

Prawnboy

1,326 posts

147 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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so first he says......

"I admit, yes, if people really want something that always looks different for the sake it, then maybe the Porsche brand is not the right address for them."

and then that the panamera... will never be a conventional saloon.....so therfore, it looks different for the sake of it.

not knocking the panamera, because i'm one of the few that like that design, but he was spouting some st there.

what he wants to say is we are one of the pricey arms of VAG and must not scare the punters off of our expensive products. you can tell the new design as its evolved to be 20% more expensive.

just still upset that they are making a small 4x4 instead of the entry level car i could afford that was promised but taken away..........oh well back to the classifieds.

Ashley1987

699 posts

139 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Porsche know what they are doing and they will still be doing it in 50 years although I am sure with different engineering principals.

Hats off to them, I am a big fan of the Panamera as well as the whole range. I hope they make the new estate Panamera too.


dandarez

13,282 posts

283 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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When you quizzed these questions, did you correctly pronounce 'Porsha' or did you simply say 'Porsh'?

More to the point how did he respond with his pronunciation of the marque?

Just curious.
It's relevant.
Well, as relevant as asking 'Why do all Porsches look the same.'

He must have thought: 'Jezus, let's get this interview over!'

Carnnoisseur

531 posts

154 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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umRacing said:
I dont care what people say.....That Panamera is LUSH!
Couldnt agree with you more. Also, I'm loving the colour combo of his particular model........

umRacing

Original Poster:

20 posts

140 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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I love the way Porsche engineer their cars. The way they are calibrated, packaged and executed. There is a cost associated with that and that is passed onto the customer. For those who feel that is too much there are other options in the market. Of all the current Porsche's I have encountered they feel greater than the sum of their parts.

But I can understand for some there is absolutely zero appeal.

elvisburger

18 posts

152 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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The 911 designer must have the easiest job in the car industry - a little flourish here, little fatten there, and viola the 991 - cheque please!

8vFTW

415 posts

153 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Grovsie26 said:
Not just the 911, they all look the same. The boxster, the cayman, panamera hell they even tried to make there SUV look the same.
You totally missed my point. When something different does come along, people slam it for being too different (see the old Megane, Multipla, etc). When it's not different enough, they still complain. And I think you could say about most major manufacturer's that they all look similar in their range. It's called brand identity and it's been around for years, and definitely not exclusive to Porsche.

julianc

1,984 posts

259 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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coffee

T1berious

2,259 posts

155 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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But surely Porsche must be doing something right?

Correct me if I'm wrong but per unit, aren't they one of the biggest profit making manufacturers out there?

I get that there isn't much of a variation on design theme through out the range but we don't slam Lotus nearly as hard when it's released another faster Elise derived unit? (No, I'm not knocking Lotus, I'm a big fan)

But Porsche seems to have all the bases covered and who'd buy a Porsche (be honest now) that didn't actually look like a Porsche?

The majority of Porsche owners are very unlikely to be exploring the performance envelope every chance they get. Hell, when I eventually get a 997 (C2S please!) it will be a dream come true and a bit of it is that the shape is iconic.

Even as lairy as Aventador is you can still see its Countach DNA? No?

Meh, Maybe I'm wrong smile


SEE YA

3,522 posts

245 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Well they must be doing something right still selling cars?
Even older Porsche's are still wanted by people today.
I bought my one, because I like the way it looks was one of the many reasons.

I mean who wants an ugly girl around him laugh
We all want things that look good I think?

Edited by SEE YA on Tuesday 27th November 13:16

Carrera RSR

26 posts

166 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Porsche design sports cars which appeal to less than 20% of the car buying public. Therefore if 80% think they are fugly or stuck in a rut do they really give a st??!! I guess not, sales figures prove the success of the design execution. I find the majority of detractors of the Porsche models aren't in a position to buy one in the first place, so their opinion isn't exactly worth a jot.