RE: PH Carpool: Smart Roadster Coupe

RE: PH Carpool: Smart Roadster Coupe

Monday 3rd December 2012

PH Carpool: Smart Roadster Coupe

Mid-engined, turbocharged and a whole lot of fun - stop sniggering at the back!



Name: Stephen Millband
Car: Smart Roadster Coupe
Owned since: January 2008
Previously owned: Some boring stuff followed by an Impreza classic wagon, Impreza WRX wagon, Smart Roadster Coupe, Renaultsport Clio 172, Mazda RX-8 PZ. Currently have a V8 MG ZT 260 as my daily driver.

Water ingress a well known issue on Smarts...
Water ingress a well known issue on Smarts...
Why I bought it:
This is my second Smart Roadster Coupe. I bought my first one for a summer of open top motoring, being attracted by its quirkiness combined with a surprising amount of practicality. The car ended up being much more fun and much more of a 'proper' sports car than I expected. Within months of replacing it with a Clio 172 I really missed it and decided I needed another one.

What I wish I'd known:
Once I'd made the decision, there was no stopping me. Perhaps being over confident I impetuously bought a local car with a good discount. There was an obvious leak from the roof but the car was still under warranty and I reckoned from previous experience and discussions on www.theroadster.net that this was fixable. Pity I didn't spot just how much else was wrong!

Over the next couple of months I estimate it cost Mercedes well over £2,000 in warranty work. This included new roof seals, a new steering wheel (position sensor fault), new tailgate hinges (corroded), new air-con pipe (broken - replaced three times now), removing the carpets and drying them, sealing the front bulkhead ... when you read about the build quality of Smart Roadsters being iffy, believe it - it's all true.

It's also worth saying that the build issues CAN be fixed and you can get a very good car if you buy carefully. Just don't let your heart rule your head like I did

Small car, big scenery and loads of fun
Small car, big scenery and loads of fun
Things I love:
Despite those early issues I still have the car five years and over 50,000 miles later. This car really got under my skin.

Almost immediately I had it remapped to 109hp up from the standard 80hp. The 698cc engines in the Roadster are bullet proof compared to the early 600cc Smart engines and the remap really brings the car to life. It's still not a fast car, but it's quick enough to be a hell of a lot of fun. It positively encourages you drive it absolutely 100 per cent flat out everywhere with the bonus that you can enjoy a completely manic driving experience without it automatically leading to a spell behind bars.

It's not the purest driving experience by any means, however it's very well balanced with enough feedback to be rewarding and enough grip and safety systems in reserve so that even a ham-fisted driver like me won't stick it in a hedge as soon as it rains.

Remap equals Elise-baiting pace
Remap equals Elise-baiting pace
But what I really love about it - and what has made it so difficult to replace - is that it has bags and bags of character. I know it's a real Marmite car and there are a few haters (some of them ex-owners!) but it's the complete opposite of the bland sterility of so many other cars. Surely this is something to be celebrated? It makes wonderful noises, from its 911-lite three-cylinder thrum to the WRC-style chirps and chatter from the turbo. Your bum flies inches from the road. The roof goes up and down in seconds and at any speed so you can enjoy open-air driving on a whim. People come up to you at garages (and at race tracks and at Le Mans) and say nice things about it. And unlike a friend who owned a Boxster you DON'T get abuse shouted at you when cruising with the roof down.

Things I hate:
Hate is a bit strong, but it's annoying that it's almost impossible to change gear smoothly around town. Unlike many I don't think this car needs a manual gearbox - the power band is too narrow and the gear ratios are so close that you hit the redline in third as you reach 60. You'd get a repetitive strain injury if you had to change gear manually. I just wish the paddle shift auto was a little better engineered.

Bringing a knife to gun fight, perhaps
Bringing a knife to gun fight, perhaps
Costs:
Service costs are a little on the high side especially as most of the rear bodywork has to come off for jobs like changing the six spark plugs. Servicing is best done at a specialist independent as Mercedes dealers are hugely expensive and not really very interested. Economy is excellent with 50+ mpg possible if you show restraint. Consumables like brakes and tyres last forever. I get 30,000 miles out of a set of tyres and over 20,000 miles per set of front brake pads. I'm still on the original clutch despite the remap and track days.

Where I've been:
I've been all over in this little car and every trip is an adventure! It was my daily driver for 30,000 miles before becoming my second car. I've had two Scottish driving holidays where it was brilliant on the twisty single-track roads. I've been to Le Mans three times in it. It carried a gazebo, two tents, chairs, table, sleeping bags, cameras, etc and I could still get the roof down. It's a surprisingly good tourer being stable and comfortable at speed as long as you don't mind the epic wind noise.

Friends have equally eclectic tastes
Friends have equally eclectic tastes
I've done trackdays at Croft and Cadwell Park (where ESP and ABS gave me the confidence to sneak past a few nervous Elise drivers in torrential rain) and a training day on the Harewood Hillclimb course - I can highly recommend this if you want to try something different.

For the last two years I've been competing in Autosolos. Autosolos are timed slaloms around courses marked with cones, tackled mostly in first gear. They're designed for road cars and don't require any special safety kit. Handbrake turns and powerslides on gravelly car parks are huge fun and I've learnt a lot about car control at very little cost and very little risk. I've managed to come second in class on one event, but I still need to work on putting in consistent times...

Last but definitely not least I've had a great time joining a few PH runs around the Yorkshire Dales and the Evo Triangle with an eclectic mix of other cars. So far there has been everything ranging from a Puma to Imprezas, TVRs and a Ferrari Testarossa - even a gorgeous rally prepped Citroen DS. I think I've managed to keep up and not get in the way too much - hopefully the guys will back me up on this!

What next?
I've been looking at S1 Elises for a while now but can't make up my mind. I know an Elise will be a 'better' drive in almost every way, but will it make me grin as much?

Harewood run

Cadwell

 

 

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Dazed & Confused

Original Poster:

202 posts

204 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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I think this car was simply ahead of its time - a car built for fun, not speed.

If it was released now, with one of the modern 2 or 3 cylinder engines popping up in Fiats or Fords, and a better gearbox (ideally a the choice of an auto or a manual), then I think people would be all over it.

Edited by Dazed & Confused on Monday 3rd December 11:59

Benny Saltstein

643 posts

213 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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Totally agree. I loved my Roadster despite experiencing the same list of faults mentioned in the article.

therealpigdog

2,592 posts

197 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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Build quality isn't iffy - it's just inconsistent.

My old roadster never had leaks, and ran with nothing more than normal servicing for the 6 years that I ran it. YJ53 FYZ - probably the only SRC that worked all the time, every time!

Brabus exhaust on it to make it sound a bit better and colour code the bumpers and it looked great. I absolutely loved that car - it really does get under the skin. Probably the car that I regret selling the most, although fair to say that you definitely can't fit labradors in the back, which was my only reason for selling.

moribund

4,031 posts

214 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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I'll stop reading this thread while the positive comments outweigh the negative hehe

Oh and "Remap equals Elise-baiting pace" are Dan’s words not mine, if you watch the vid you can see I get murdered on every straight. It's just that a couple of the Elise guys were understandably cautious in tricky conditions! I think I'd better make that clear if I'm to be welcome in the Lotus sub-forum in the future lol.

750turbo

6,164 posts

224 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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I worked on the software development side of Smart for a while just over 10 years ago. We used to see these flying about the site all day! Just before they were released they even let us have a quick drive in one, I loved it!

The amount of money that was thrown at the IT side of Smart was just absolutely ridiculous! There were loads of consultancy firms charging fortunes on a daily basis, money would have been better diverted to the development of the product IMO. How can MB have got the build quality so wrong?

We also had the opportunity to visit the factory, near Strasbourg (I think), you could eat your dinner off the floor, I remember seeing a load of Crossblades at the time, being pushed off the end of the production line, it was all a bit surreal to be honest.

pits

6,429 posts

190 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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If they had a manual gearbox I would have one all day long, but with the quite frankly dreadful auto box which sends the change gear command to the Smart station based on the moon, where a man is awoken from a slumber to go "awuhwuh, 2nd you say? Oh my you're on a roundabout, how about 3rd? No 2nd? Neutral? Oh My you have full throttle, 1st gear...oh dear you have taken off like a scolded cat........Mike, how did your gear change go on the yellow notchback Roadster? To shreds you say?"


They're so much fun though, people bang on about old Minis being like Go-Karts to drive, and yes Minis are like Go-Karts to drive, Go-Karts made of dog st and woe, the Roadster is actually like a Go-Kart, unlike the dog st Mini Go-kart "handling"

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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750turbo said:
I worked on the software development side of Smart for a while just over 10 years ago. We used to see these flying about the site all day! Just before they were released they even let us have a quick drive in one, I loved it!

The amount of money that was thrown at the IT side of Smart was just absolutely ridiculous! There were loads of consultancy firms charging fortunes on a daily basis, money would have been better diverted to the development of the product IMO. How can MB have got the build quality so wrong?

We also had the opportunity to visit the factory, near Strasbourg (I think), you could eat your dinner off the floor, I remember seeing a load of Crossblades at the time, being pushed off the end of the production line, it was all a bit surreal to be honest.
I had a trip round that factory as an undergrad student - IIRC it's in Stuttgart, which is obviously near Strasbourg. We also did Rover and the difference between the two were night and day. Even in the early 90s, it was deeply impressive, WRT to the production tech.

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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moribund said:
Oh and "Remap equals Elise-baiting pace" are Dan’s words not mine, if you watch the vid you can see I get murdered on every straight.
Fair one , they were my words. But the picture made it too hard to resist!

Nice to see a few fans too - I established in chat before getting Stephen to write this that I'm an advocate too. I even had a go with that mad twin-turbo V6 version Brabus made a while back - one of the most amazing sounding cars I've ever driven. Imagine the sound from Stephen's video but, well, doubled and you get the idea.

And he's right about the gearbox too. Learn its quirks and it's not half as bad as most'll have you think it is.


Dan

scorcher

3,986 posts

234 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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Surely a Turbo'd Hayabusa engine will fit in the back to make it even more entertaining. A nice Brabus with 250 or so horses ought to make it a quick and light enough to play with some bigger boys?

stephen300o

15,464 posts

228 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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A fabulous little car, people wanting more power miss the point.

fentuz

91 posts

201 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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[quote]What next?
I've been looking at S1 Elises for a while now but can't make up my mind. I know an Elise will be a 'better' drive in almost every way, but will it make me grin as much?


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Yes it will but be prepared for the up'n downs... While the elise is great when it works, it is also annoying when it doesn't...

750turbo

6,164 posts

224 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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rhinochopig said:
I had a trip round that factory as an undergrad student - IIRC it's in Stuttgart, which is obviously near Strasbourg. We also did Rover and the difference between the two were night and day. Even in the early 90s, it was deeply impressive, WRT to the production tech.
I think that you may have visited the R & D site in Boeblingen/Sindelfingen then. This is where I was based. It had the internal Smart Sales showroom, and the new build Multi Storey car park? About 30 mins from Stuttgart. Oh and the "Generic" German Office Blocks that we worked in. This replaced the old buildings in Renningen.

The plant I visited was actually in France, Hambach. (Had to google it).

Info here.

http://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-1380342-1-1332016...


mattiselvis

991 posts

221 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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Nice write up! I ran a Brabus one for a couple of years and although it was flawed it was never anything less than entertaining.

moribund

4,031 posts

214 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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Dan Trent said:
moribund said:
Oh and "Remap equals Elise-baiting pace" are Dan’s words not mine, if you watch the vid you can see I get murdered on every straight.
Fair one , they were my words. But the picture made it too hard to resist!
Don't worry Dan, I inferred that in my text but now I'm just wanting to cover my tracks before I get flayed hehe

CatScan

208 posts

149 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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Loved these, wanted to buy one as my first car til I got a go in my mates and found that I could hardly get my left leg under the wheel to fit. Not designed for the taller gentleman.

Then his leaked a lot, wrecked the harness and ECU and that scared my off properly.

Still love the concept, the looks and the 3cyl turbo though, and wonder if I'd fit ok with some decent buckets in there...

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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750turbo said:
rhinochopig said:
I had a trip round that factory as an undergrad student - IIRC it's in Stuttgart, which is obviously near Strasbourg. We also did Rover and the difference between the two were night and day. Even in the early 90s, it was deeply impressive, WRT to the production tech.
I think that you may have visited the R & D site in Boeblingen/Sindelfingen then. This is where I was based. It had the internal Smart Sales showroom, and the new build Multi Storey car park? About 30 mins from Stuttgart. Oh and the "Generic" German Office Blocks that we worked in. This replaced the old buildings in Renningen.

The plant I visited was actually in France, Hambach. (Had to google it).

Info here.

http://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-1380342-1-1332016...
Ah, quite possibly. They do / did seem to have a lot of facilities centred around that area.

It was the same site - I think - as the Museum, or if it wasn't it was a very very short drive away; it was 20 years ago to be fair.

We did Benz in the morning and then Porsche museum (the old one) in the afternoon. A great day out for a 20 year old petrol head.

slarnge

364 posts

191 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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Driven a few of these,but i think with a proper gearbox and a bit more power you got a well sorted fun car.

Roadster25

272 posts

162 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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I miss my old Roadie even more now frown

The one car I wish I had never sold, despite the fact that everything that people said would go wrong did.

Whiters

364 posts

239 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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Had a decent test drive in one when they first came out. Loved the concept and size (especially as I lived in London at the time) but the gearbox was so slow I just couldn't live with it. I don't think any one single element has ever ruined a test drive more for me, especially as the rest of the car was so up for it and capable. Intriguing little thing though.


James MK

556 posts

251 months

Monday 3rd December 2012
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Love it! Want one!