RE: PH Goes Rallying: part three

RE: PH Goes Rallying: part three

Wednesday 6th February 2013

PH Goes Rallying: part three

From Group B to grassroots in one step, and the latest instalment from Dan P and Chris's rally adventures



As you’ll probably be aware PH rally man Dan Prosser and Chris Harris have been rallying a battered old BMW 3 Series.

In this latest report we hear from both individually after a winter outing going the wrong way (intentionally) round Brands Hatch…

Update: for some onboard footage from the event see here or below.


Co-driving - more fun than Dan expected
Co-driving - more fun than Dan expected
Dan's bit...
Given that I was so anxious ahead of my co-driving debut, it does now seem odd that the moments I enjoyed most were when the stages were at their slipperiest. At times the grip levels were frankly comical, and it turns out that the sensation of a neatly balanced rear-wheel drive car sliding through a corner is very nearly as much fun from the co-driver’s side of the car. Chris spent more time on opposite lock that Saturday than a Formula 1 driver does in his entire career.

When the stages were dry, the BMW felt a little out of its depth as it shrieked its way through the wide, open corners of the circuit itself. The sense of jeopardy was gone, too, and I was surprised to find that I missed it. The biggest revelation for me, however, was just how much influence the co-driver has on the pace of the car and ultimately the stage times. Although my ownstint behind the wheel was my personal highlight , I’m sure I’ll co-drive again for the fun of it.

One of the reasons for embarking upon this rallying adventure was to explore the notion of affordable motorsport. £4,000 bought us a rally-prepared BMW 325i, and a further £800 was spent to get it through the MoT test (necessary for competition use). Chris already had a suitable tow vehicle in his eclectic fleet (although it wasn’t entirely dependable) and we borrowed a trailer for events. We both had access to helmets and race suits, too, but reckon on around £1,000 each for all the clobber.

£400 each for this much fun - not bad!
£400 each for this much fun - not bad!
Our on-event costs included £250 or so on entry fees, £100 on hotel rooms and £200 on fuel for competition and support vehicles. We got away with using a single set of rubber for both competitive outings, which was included in the purchase price of the car, but £250 per event should cover tyre expenses. £800 all in per rally, perhaps split between driver and co-driver, is good value for money in motorsport terms and a natural progression for trackday regulars.

We do now face certain basic maintenance costs as we aim to continue using the car, but across a gravel test day and two sealed-surface events, the BMW has been utterly faultless.

This exercise was about learning for me. I don’t doubt that I’ve learnt lots about competition driving and rally navigating, but of much more value is my newfound appreciation of just how much effort, frustration and dedication goes into getting to the start line of a clubman motorsport event. The amateur rally crew is a very hard working unit and the volunteers that enable the events to run at all are utter heroes.


Prosser's hair makes a break for it
Prosser's hair makes a break for it
Chris's bit...
Any sporting event immediately after the Christmas break always benefits from that slightly chummy beginning of term atmosphere, and so it was at the MGJ Stages. This is a single event rally that uses the Brands Hatch Indy circuit as a base, and runs four different configurations around the paddocks, pits and grounds of the circuit grounds each to be complete twice, making eight stages in all.

With the trusty Range Rover chewing 15amp fuses like Maltesers I thought it might be prudent to borrow a tow truck as well as a trailer, and in the spirit of budget motorsport I purloined a £97K Mercedes G350 CDI. Its upgraded leather and Alcantara interior was worth more than the rally car. Ironically, the Range Rover has been behaving faultlessly these past two weeks, so I probably could have used it after all.

Mighty G provided hauling duties
Mighty G provided hauling duties
Anyways, the trudge up to Brands in filthy weather on a Friday night was reasonably pleasant, and gave Dan the chance to remind me that he suffers from car sickness and was concerned that he might land chunks on my lap the following day. Excellent. The big G hardly seemed to notice the load behind it. I love these trucks.

By the time we arrived at 11pm the trailer park was a mud-bath and we retired to the Thistle hotel covered in oomska and with bleeding hands. There’s nothing more annoying than operating an unfamiliar trailer at night, in the lashing rain. I’m buying one for the next rally.

We parked ourselves next to some friendly types with a Rover 25, and as they put the final touches to their race package, we spent 20 minutes cranking the old 325 into life. I have never turned a car over for that long – I don’t know what was more ridiculous, the sight of two imbeciles trying to rouse the worst-prepared car on display or the remarkable cranking capacity of the car’s battery.

Oops...
Oops...
We then trundled off to have the noise test and the scrutineering bay where we didn’t pass with flying colours, but did pass all the same. It was on my return to the scrutes to have the on-board camera mount approved that we properly announced our arrival at the event.

I was reversing and chatting to a couple of marshals when I felt the car stop quite suddenly and issue a large crunching sound from the rear. I had driven into a stationary Land Rover Discovery.

This wasn’t good, and the news deteriorated somewhat when we learnt that said Discovery was owned by the event Safety and Incident officer. I kicked the filler which had crumbled from the Bimmer’s rear panel under the car, stammered some apologies and scarpered. I didn’t scratch anything during a crazy year’s filming in 2012, but I couldn’t complete a three-point-turn in the rally car at walking speed.

Our tyre choice was limited to what came with the car when we bought it a year ago: full gravel knobblies or a set of Yoko AO48s. The amount of track mileage on the day meant we had to run the Yokos, but watching the lead cars come through on the first stage, it was clear that grip in the near-freezing temperatures was, er, limited. As in, lots of trick 4WD cars were spinning.

Grip? No, we've none of that today, sir
Grip? No, we've none of that today, sir
So we took it very, very easy – and I’m glad we did because otherwise we’d have fallen off on the first section. Dan seemed worryingly relaxed as I attempted to work out where the grip was (answer: nowhere) and the tyre chicanes were much more demanding than expected. We started 70th and finished that first stage in 44th place.

Stage two was a repeat of Stage one, so knowing the route and taking more liberties with the chicanes, we went 24 seconds faster, this time finishing 33rd.

I’d be lying if I said the thought of driving around in circles in an old BMW had fired my imagination pre-event, but after those first stages I couldn’t stop grinning. This was proper, timed motorsport for the kind of money Dan outlines in his piece. It’s a bargain and enormous fun too.

Where we're going, we don't need roads...
Where we're going, we don't need roads...
We pushed harder on the third stage and, inevitably, came unstuck on a section which changed from drying asphalt to wet mud. The Yoko AO48 doesn’t really do mud and gravel. Even so, whenever there was a chance to drive as sideways as possible, I grabbed it. That’s the whole point, isn’t it? Normally at race meetings I’m looking gimlet-eyed at the best cars and wishing I was driving one of them, but the 325’s ability to oversteer, combined with its, ahem, ‘disposable’ value meant that I genuinely think we were having as much fun as anyone else there. There can be traffic on each stage, and knowing your car is worth so little does make you feel a little more inclined to go for the gap!

Later, when the track dried a little the car found some grip and was nothing like as much fun. All that lateral load made the thing creak and smoke was spewing from the transmission tunnel on long left-handers. Luckily, the dew began to fall fairly soon, and conditions quickly became lethal again. This exposed the 325’s main fault, which is the crazy slow steering rack with four turns lock-to-lock.

Turns out Monkeys can fly after all. Who knew?
Turns out Monkeys can fly after all. Who knew?
Once we’d made it into the top 20 there wasn’t much more we could do – everything ahead was fundamentally quicker – so we just indulged in bigger skids; I also attempted to drive solely on Dan’s measured instructions because we’re off into the forests soon, and the objects are more immovable there. We finished 28th overall.

Check out Dan’s running costs analysis, but to me this event bore comparable costs to a track day in a 997 GT3. The entry fee was reasonable, it was very well organised and I would far rather compete properly against the clock than just drive around a UK track with other people in a converted street car.

We’re entering the Wyedean at the weekend. It’ll be a much sterner test, and I’ll have to kerb some of the flamboyance to try and make it to the end. The car is having a quicker rack fitted – because the slow one would be plain dangerous between the trees – and a general once-over with the chaps at Rally Prep Quite how it’s survived a full day’s hooning at Phil Price’s and two of these Brands events is beyond me. It’s built like a truck.

Now it’s time to study for the Wyedean.



Previous stories:
PH goes rallying
PH goes rallying: training, part one
PH goes rallying: part two

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Discussion

re33

Original Poster:

269 posts

164 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Definitely agree that clubman competition is the way to go over track days.

Though the problem with competition is that next you will want to be competitive and that only means one thing, cash.

Keep up the good work!

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Pic of the week candidate?


anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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I'm at the Wyedean on the weekend. I'll try and get some footage!

drakart

1,735 posts

210 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Our chief mechanic managed to reverse a service van right down the side of my car at the Cadwell Rally whilst moving trailers, cars and vans. It happens a suprising amount! It was shame that you didn't make Rockingham, but I will be around and about at the Wyedean making sure you are sideways everywhere! Best of luck.

mightymouse

1,438 posts

228 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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PSBuckshot said:
I'm at the Wyedean on the weekend.
So am I, marshalling on Speech House smokin
Looks like going to be a cracking event.
Shame Andy Burton's Peugeot won't be there....doesn't seem quite the same not hearing it through the Dean woods cry

Good luck though .....would wave but it might put you off laugh

GTiFrank

625 posts

184 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Been following these with Interest - drifting around Graham Hill bend looks like hilarious fun. Keep it up thumbup

ItsJustARide

108 posts

157 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Top stuff!

Porkie

2,378 posts

241 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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AWESOME!

100% gonna have a look into doing this.

Thanks Chris and Dan. looks awesome fun

Jerry Can

4,454 posts

223 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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a perfect example of a st car being driven well.

If you are revising for the Wyedean, make sure you spend some quality time on youtube. You know type in 'Wyedean rally 2012' or 2011, and see what comes up. Maybe check the the safety notes against an on board of the stage, just to make sure it's right?

Zumbruk

7,848 posts

260 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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I wouldn't worry about the "accident" - someone once reversed into me in the start-line queue at Curborough sprint track ....

Ranger 6

7,051 posts

249 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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mightymouse said:
PSBuckshot said:
I'm at the Wyedean on the weekend.
So am I, marshalling on Speech House smokin
Doing Radio on Serridge - at least as it's SS2 we might just see you..... hehe

and will wave at car 91 if you manage to get round for SS6

ArnageWRC

2,065 posts

159 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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I'm another who'll be at the Wyedean - and quite a few of the recent runnings have involved snow & ice. However, it's a great event; Speech House is a classic stage, and about 14-15 miles long. Enjoy!!!!

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

265 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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I find it weird that everyone agrees that going sideways all the time is the most fun bit of driving, yet drifting has such a rubbish image.

Ranger 6

7,051 posts

249 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Captain Muppet said:
I find it weird that everyone agrees that going sideways all the time is the most fun bit of driving, yet drifting has such a rubbish image.
I agree as there's some massively talented folks drifting, yet I just don't 'get' a motorsport competition which isn't timed.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Captain Muppet said:
I find it weird that everyone agrees that going sideways all the time is the most fun bit of driving, yet drifting has such a rubbish image.
I find it a bit weird that a competition judged on something as subjective as style can be classed as a motorsport. Distance, speed, time and even driving faults (e.g. hitting a cone in an autotest, foot down in a bike trial) are all things that can be absolutely quantified, so the winner is not determined by some elusive and subjective notion.

Cyder

7,051 posts

220 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Ranger 6 said:
mightymouse said:
PSBuckshot said:
I'm at the Wyedean on the weekend.
So am I, marshalling on Speech House smokin
Doing Radio on Serridge - at least as it's SS2 we might just see you..... hehe

and will wave at car 91 if you manage to get round for SS6
Watching on SS2 Serridge and then across the road in Speech House for SS7. wavey

Chris Harris

494 posts

153 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Think stages will be v.slippery at the weekend, so will take it steady to start with. Couldn't be more different to the single-event rally: large numbers of immovable objects to hit! Currently watching Patterson DVD and every YouTube onboard I can find. Dan is bricking it...


Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

265 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Ranger 6 said:
Captain Muppet said:
I find it weird that everyone agrees that going sideways all the time is the most fun bit of driving, yet drifting has such a rubbish image.
I agree as there's some massively talented folks drifting, yet I just don't 'get' a motorsport competition which isn't timed.
I didn't mean competitions, I was thinking of practice days where you get hours of sideways track time for trackday money.

The competitions are something of an aquired taste, but I suspect that's because it's a sport for the drivers to enjoy, rather than for spectators. The main reward for beating another driver is you get more track time.

I'd much rather watch a race than a rally or drifting, but I'd rather drive in an event where every corner makes me giggle. I've never tried rallying, I might buy myself one of those experience days...

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

265 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Mr2Mike said:
Captain Muppet said:
I find it weird that everyone agrees that going sideways all the time is the most fun bit of driving, yet drifting has such a rubbish image.
I find it a bit weird that a competition judged on something as subjective as style can be classed as a motorsport. Distance, speed, time and even driving faults (e.g. hitting a cone in an autotest, foot down in a bike trial) are all things that can be absolutely quantified, so the winner is not determined by some elusive and subjective notion.
Assuming that we can agree that the "motor" bit isn't the problem the only issue is with the "sport" tag.

It isn't judged entirely on style, but on technical stuff like line, angle, technique and control. Be as stylish as you like but miss a clipping point, drop some angle or use the handbrake the gay way and you get nothing. So it's a sport like diving, or gymnastics, or boxing, in which the winner isn't the one with the fastest time but the one who did the things the judges were looking for the best.

Yes the judging is subjective, but then so is the judging in all the other judged sports.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Is the handbrake broken Chris?? ;-)