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Ideal Classic boiler - fan removal

Ideal Classic boiler - fan removal

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apguy

Original Poster:

709 posts

170 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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So I have an Ideal Classic FF250 with a seized fan. Apparently a common problem on these things.

Symptoms were easy to spot; the irritating squeek from the fan assembly, that had persisted for the last month was gone, and the inability of the bolier to switch on the burners was a sure indication something was amiss.

A bit of WD40 on the fan bearings means I have heat at the moment, but I need to replace the fan.

But how the flip do I remove the fan/venturi assembly?

A replacement looks like this ( ebay piccy) and after taking off the boiler cover I can see it sitting on top of the combustion chamber.

But I can only see 2 screws holding the venturi (with fan inside) to the boiler. One on the front, mounted on a small tab and another at the back, securing the venturi outlet to the flue pipe.

Now I'm sure there's more as I can't lift the fan assembly off. Any pointers, indicators or general finger pointing regarding messing with boilers welcome.

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Ferg

15,242 posts

179 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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You have to take the flue hood off and the fan is secured to that by three screws from the inside. From memory there is a rope seal on the top which may disintegrate.

apguy

Original Poster:

709 posts

170 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Thank you Ferg. I was hesistant to undo the nuts on the 2 ties rods as they looked fairly important.

As a nice picture is worth a thousand words, I think I need to



(After your post, I searched for an online manual, and the lovely folks at Ideal have it at: http://www.idealheating.com/downloads/manuals/1566... and I've nicked the picture)

Andrew[MG]

3,145 posts

120 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Are you sure it needs a new fan? I can't remember which model I have but the blades shattered, I fired in some wd40 and it's been running fine without the blades ever since. The new kit doesn't seem to come with blades at all http://www.ukheatingparts.com/ideal-classic-fan-as...

Unless you mean that the whole thing has seized and then I have no idea smile

GuinnessMK

1,571 posts

144 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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I replaced the fan on my FF250 a few years back. It's no more complex than undoing a few nuts / screws and then doing it all back up again.

Word of warning though, during the death throws of the fan, I kept applying WD40 to keep it going. Then one day I'd run out of WD40, so used graphite penetrating spray. Don't turn the fan on with the cover off, unless you want a thin spray of graphite all over the kitchen walls, units, worktops etc!
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andySC

612 posts

80 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Try cet-ltd for reconditioned fans. Half the price of the new unit. They put new bearings in, rewind the motor & even give it a lick of paint & stick a years guarantee on it.

Martyn D

424 posts

96 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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As well as the 2 front tie rods there's also a screw at the back of the combustion cover which is directly under the flue, undo the screw that holds the flue onto the fan and twist the flue and slide it towards outside (it's a small telescopic section that'll slide into the inner flue part going through the wall) then you can access the screw, also there's a sensing tube (white I think) that goes onto the back of the combustion cover, don't forget to put it back on before you fix the cover back down.

silversurfer1

473 posts

58 months

Tuesday 12th February 2013
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Martyn is correct there is a small screw directly under the rear of the fan that holds the flue hood on and it can be a *astard to undo you will need an angled screw driver or just a head from a set and a small spanner to fit it.

Good luck

j


apguy

Original Poster:

709 posts

170 months

Wednesday 13th February 2013
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Thank you for all the assistance. Especially the bit about another hidden screw!

mercurial1000

2 posts

47 months

Friday 22nd November 2013
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Is there any adjustment to be made if you refit one of these?

silversurfer1

473 posts

58 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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mercurial1000 said:
Is there any adjustment to be made if you refit one of these?
not to the fan , but id re commission the boiler.

ss



NH1

1,333 posts

51 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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Isn't wd40 flammable, not the best thing to spray near a sparking motor, actually I dont think them motors have got brushes. Anyway still dodgy.

Rickyy

6,481 posts

141 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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WD40 is no good on a fan motor, it gets too hot and evaporates pretty much straight away.

You can buy purpose made "Fan Lube", which is thicker and seems to work wonders, but is highly flammable!

The risk doesn't come from sparking (you shouldn't be working anywhere near a live fan anyway!) but from the heat of the fan. An old colleague of mine managed to burn himself when the lube ignited as he sprayed it onto a hot fan!

mercurial1000

2 posts

47 months

Saturday 23rd November 2013
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silversurfer1 said:
not to the fan , but id re commission the boiler.

ss
commission the boiler? that sounds like starting from square one,

Nimby

1,533 posts

72 months

Friday 15th September
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(4 year bump!)

Just had our 20-year old FF260 serviced and the only comment was that the fan is a bit noisy so bearings may be on the way out.
(We don't think it's noticeably noisier than it's ever been but he says he's very familiar with Ideal Classics)

The engineer said it would be illegal for me to replace the fan as that involves "breaking the case seal".

Could I do it legally if I deem myself "competent" but obviously not Gas-safe registered?

JackReacher

1,099 posts

137 months

Friday 15th September
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Nimby said:
(4 year bump!)

Just had our 20-year old FF260 serviced and the only comment was that the fan is a bit noisy so bearings may be on the way out.
(We don't think it's noticeably noisier than it's ever been but he says he's very familiar with Ideal Classics)

The engineer said it would be illegal for me to replace the fan as that involves "breaking the case seal".

Could I do it legally if I deem myself "competent" but obviously not Gas-safe registered?
Our 16 year old Ideal classic started to get very noisey about 6 months ago, and a heating engineer diagnosed it as the fan and replaced it, been fine since. Think ours is an FF280.

Hope it's not illegal....

Nimby

1,533 posts

72 months

Friday 15th September
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Yes but can I legally do the replacement work myself. Obviously a registered Gas-safe engineer can.

  • Never mind. GS engineer quote is only £40 plus part (a bit more than cheapest I've seen, but not excessively), so it's not worth the hassle.
Edited by Nimby on Friday 15th September 12:35