The nuclear subs that are being cut up

[saaby93]

Anyone seen this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea-fSntYmso&fea...
so thats where they dump the old ones

[skirk]

If you look at Rosyth dockyard on google earth all our old Nuk's are tied up , slowly rotting....including the dreadnought at the ripe old age of 53.......i dont think i would risk swimming in the non tidal basin ....


http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=rosyth&oe=utf-...fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&ei=7qA5UcqRKIPTPK2rgBg&ved=0CAsQ_AUoAg


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[ninja-lewis]

Nothing to do with the old nuclear submarines at Rosyth. Dalgety Bay is built on the old RNAS Donibristle/HMS Merlin airfield. After the Second World War the airfield was used to break up redundant aircraft and the waste was used to reclaim land. Included in that waste was traces of radium from the luminous paint used on instrument dials.

http://www.secretscotland.org.uk/index.php/Secrets...

[annodomini2]

saaby93 said:

Anyone seen this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea-fSntYmso&fea...
so thats where they dump the old ones

Linky no worky

[ralphrj]

doogz said:

Quiet in there.

Good to see that so many of our MP's take things like this seriously.

The video has been taken down but as I understand it (and was pointed out to Gordon Brown last time he raised the issue) the MOD no longer own the site and environmental issues in Scotland are the responsibility of the Scottish Government. That might be why no-one in Westminster was interested in hearing what Gordon had to say.


Nice response by the Minister though.

Defence minister Andrew Robathan said:

I will explain why we dispute much of what the right hon. Gentleman has said in a moment, but there is one thing that I particularly dispute. I know that when he was Prime Minister, and indeed when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer, he was very profligate with public money.

He was very willing to spend it, and then to leave us in the appalling financial condition in which we now find ourselves. I must tell the right hon. Gentleman that we take a rather more parsimonious and sensible view than I think he did when it comes to the spending of our constituents’ money…

In closing, may I say how pleased I am to see the right hon. Gentleman in the House?

[IanMorewood]

skirk said:

If you look at Rosyth dockyard on google earth all our old Nuk's are tied up , slowly rotting....including the dreadnought at the ripe old age of 53.......i dont think i would risk swimming in the non tidal basin ....

I wouldn’t know one sub from the other but you would think that one of the most sensitive areas to UK defence would either be blurred out or not available at such high resolutions on Google maps.

[skirk]

"I wouldn’t know one sub from the other but you would think that one of the most sensitive areas to UK defence would either be blurred out or not available at such high resolutions on Google maps."

All decomissioned now and rosyth is no longer a royal dockyard....would make a good terrorist target though.....just imagine a 9/11 type event centered that lot....douesnt bear thinking of.
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[ecsrobin]

The only thing on a sub that any nation gets touchy about is the propulsion system which is why whenever you see a sub launch its always covered. To be fair there's no point blurring it out as every nation knows who's got what.

[psychoR1]

The Redoutable at the Cite De La Mer in Cherbourg is worth a trip if you want to see a complete one - abeit a 'frog' boat!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_Redo...

[RedLeicester]

Defence minister Andrew Robathan said:

I will explain why we dispute much of what the right hon. Gentleman has said in a moment, but there is one thing that I particularly dispute. I know that when he was Prime Minister, and indeed when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer, he was very profligate with public money.

He was very willing to spend it, and then to leave us in the appalling financial condition in which we now find ourselves. I must tell the right hon. Gentleman that we take a rather more parsimonious and sensible view than I think he did when it comes to the spending of our constituents’ money…

In closing, may I say how pleased I am to see the right hon. Gentleman in the House?

[RedLeicester]

psychoR1 said:

The Redoutable at the Cite De La Mer in Cherbourg is worth a trip if you want to see a complete one - abeit a 'frog' boat!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_Redo...

Wow, I'd like to go there just to see the scale of the hull, let alone the interior.

[ecsrobin]

RedLeicester said:

Wow, I'd like to go there just to see the scale of the hull, let alone the interior.

There's also a WW2 liberation museum on top of the hill in Cherbourg I've been there saw the sub but it was closed for some reason

Maybe worth a Pistonheads France museum tour......

[HoggyR32]

The subs at rosyth are horrible sleekit looking things! Had a walk round one of them that was in dry dock a few weeks ago, very interesting. But no way could I go to see for months on end in one of them. I'd go barmy!

But speaking to guys that work with them I'm fairly sure there's little or no risk involved with them. The most annoying thing is that the government have no idea what they're gonna do with them, yet they have to keep them sea worthy (well, able to float) at a cost of millions.

[T66ORA]

Served on "bombers" from 84 to 88 Repulse (stbd) mainly including the Roysth refit, also did a patrol on Renown in 85.
I've had this on the laptop for a couple of years so don`t know if the boats are in the same position in a Rosyth basin?

[der1]

Forgive me but why is there still a 53 year old sub at Rosyth?

Surely they can do something with them? I know a scrapyard that would take them no questions asked.

[jmorgan]

Well, if they left it outside the gate it would be gone by the morning.

[hidetheelephants]

There is pretty much no risk from the subs; the interior of the reactor and primary coolant circuit is 'hot' but there's no fuel in them, it was removed when they were decommissioned. Even if you planted a bomb in the reactor vessel there would be more danger from the flying debris and general explosive bangyness than the contaminated metalwork.

ralphrj said:

doogz said:

Quiet in there.

Good to see that so many of our MP's take things like this seriously.

The video has been taken down but as I understand it (and was pointed out to Gordon Brown last time he raised the issue) the MOD no longer own the site and environmental issues in Scotland are the responsibility of the Scottish Government. That might be why no-one in Westminster was interested in hearing what Gordon had to say.


Nice response by the Minister though.

Amusing bon mots at winky's expense aside, it was the MOD that dumped the contaminated waste in the ground and it should be the MOD that pays to clean it up. Not that it matters, it all comes out of our pockets anyway.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Sunday 10th March 21:37

[der1]

T66ORA said:

Served on "bombers" from 84 to 88 Repulse (stbd) mainly including the Roysth refit, also did a patrol on Renown in 85.
I've had this on the laptop for a couple of years so don`t know if the boats are in the same position in a Rosyth basin?

This picture reminds me of the film deep blue sea

[psychoR1]

RedLeicester said:

Wow, I'd like to go there just to see the scale of the hull, let alone the interior.

It's worth a trip you walk down the outside and then do the length of the boat internally.

[shouldbworking]

A quick bit of googling about the US ship and submarine recycling program suggests they don't do anything particularly clever with theirs either - remove the radioactive material, dump it in a spent fuel pool, recycle the rest.

And on that topic, an interesting 'What If?' article from xkcd on spent fuel pools. It shows just how low tech these things can be - you might recall that in the aftermath of Fukushima that they were concerned about possible leaks in the fuel pool and topped them up via the method of dumping a load of water from helicopter, through a hole in the roof..

http://what-if.xkcd.com/29/