RE: Ford Focus ST-3 Estate: PH Fleet

RE: Ford Focus ST-3 Estate: PH Fleet

Tuesday 23rd July 2013

Ford Focus ST-3 Estate: PH Fleet

Navigational disputes aside it's domestic bliss in the Focus still



Look, can we get over the price thing please. Yes, it's a Focus with a - nominal - £30K ticket. But, as the less hysterical responses to previous updates on our fleet ST have noted, this is a bottom line figure on an official rrp for a fully loaded press car.

Tons of room for PH-worthy load lugging
Tons of room for PH-worthy load lugging
Funny that the outrage at a Focus with a pricetag (almost) starting with a three on it is considerably more visceral than it is the idea of the '£30K' M135i costing closer to £40K or Porsche 911 Carrera quietly knocking on the door of six figures OTR without too much persuasion from the salesman. A pity also this tedious brand snobbery seems too often to cloud debate over the exemplary fitness for purpose of the product itself. And, yes, having lived with it I'm unashamedly partisan.

And having said I wanted to set the pricing debate on one side I've probably just reignited it. Ho hum!

To the car itself though and a couple of niggles first, reported from the driver's seat by Mrs Trent. First up the sat-nav, whose tiny screen and apparent lack of a 'proper' north-up plan view are minor irritations to its occasional total loss of position. It seemed to have lost signal - not for the first time - and then 'lost' us too, hence bonkers instructions like 'turn right' when joining motorways or 'make a U-turn' half way down the M1. But once your faith in a navigation system is shattered it's next to useless.

Flaky nav doesn't inspire faith
Flaky nav doesn't inspire faith
So there we go, we've saved you £750 off the price of your ST by not speccing nav. Damn, there I go talking about price again!

And while we're moaning the 'evens' only speedo is a pain too; OK, it's not that hard to fill in the gaps but given 30, 50 and 70 are numbers you really need to keep tabs on in UK driving it can be frustrating.

In all other respects the Focus continues to impress and dazzle with its all-round ability and seamless combination of fun and practicality. It's just such a pleasing balance and the fact that, as collection date looms, I'm facing household pressure to open negotiations with Ford says a lot. Ford tried before with the ST170 estate - a car I'd snap up in an instant - but our man there says the market wasn't quite ready and sales were unfortunately sluggish. This time around the aspiration is for the estate to eventually account for a fifth of sales; it's currently sitting at around a tenth but the usefulness, Q-car appeal and looks mean it deserves to reach that goal.

Reports from the driver's seat all favourable
Reports from the driver's seat all favourable
And what about driving the damned thing? Well, new PH recruit Matt had his first go of it the other day. "Oh yes, there's some torque steer alright!" was his immediate response. "This trait has been mentioned previously but it's the abiding initial impression from a short run in the ST. That my everyday car makes 122lb ft at 6,300rpm may have heightened the impression slightly..."

What the Mountune upgrades announced recently, driven by Harris and retrofittable if you're already an ST owner, will do to that remains to be seen but Matt's a fan of the engine straight out of the box.

"That 2.0-litre Ecoboost is what some might call 'brawny'. It pulls from very few revs but still feels keen beyond 5,000rpm, all whilst accompanied by an appropriately boomy induction roar. The gearbox is tight with a positive, short throw and all the controls operate with that slickness we now come to associate with Ford. Perhaps if I clean it some more I can actually take it out properly!"

He, and the unfortunate bloke coming to pick it up in a couple of weeks, have a fight on their hands though. Mrs T isn't about to give up those keys without a scrap...


FACT SHEET
Car:
 Ford Focus ST-3 Estate
Run by: The Trent household, Matt when he's allowed to
On fleet since: April 2013
Mileage: 10,133
List price new: £29,055 (Basic list of £26,595 plus £750 for Sony DAB Navigation System with Rear View Camera, £900 for Driver Assistance Pack, £200 for privacy glass, £85 for door edge protectors, £525 for Spirit Blue Metallic paint)
Last month at a glance: Enough on price already, let's talk about the driving!


Previous reports:
Fords estate/hot hatch Focus joins the fleet
The Focus goes up in Alex's estimations
Dan nicks Focus, gets it all 'lifestyle'





Author
Discussion

SimonD

Original Poster:

486 posts

281 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Expensive though innit?

loudlashadjuster

5,123 posts

184 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Obligatory "not that expensive" post.

smile

Sad to see that manufacturers still can't get satnav right every time nowadays. If a £50 aftermarket jobbie can manage it, why can't they with the advantage of aerial and power integration?

Prawnboy

1,326 posts

147 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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as i wouldn't have any of those options, price looks good to me. Great family wagon i say!

tomoleeds

770 posts

186 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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no one is being forced to buy the focus ,buy it or don't, I only buy used cars ,usually 4 years old ,my current car with Nav, leather , Bose sound ,etc would have been £30k new,I paid £9k when 4 year old with high mileage, but 1 owner full history,cant seem point in leasing a car like my friends, after 3 years its money down the toilet, even a new magane or clio costs £7500 over 3 years,do this 4 times like my friend its £30k with nothing to show and hardly driving in style

SarGara

365 posts

176 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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anonymous said:
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Only 25mpg from a 1.6!? I thought that was bad for the Clio 200 but its 2.0 could be forgiven for those figures, this however...

Penneth

121 posts

181 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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SarGara said:
Only 25mpg from a 1.6!? I thought that was bad for the Clio 200 but its 2.0 could be forgiven for those figures, this however...
Focus is a 2.0 Turbo.

Mr Whippy

29,033 posts

241 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Meh.

I'd rather buy an older Mondeo ST220 Estate even though it's older it still looks better, sounds better, probably goes better too.

Dave

MiseryStreak

2,929 posts

207 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Phew that's steep, you could get a GT3 for that money.


Woody

2,187 posts

284 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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loudlashadjuster said:
Obligatory "not that expensive" post.

smile

Sad to see that manufacturers still can't get satnav right every time nowadays. If a £50 aftermarket jobbie can manage it, why can't they with the advantage of aerial and power integration?
Thanks for that - hadn't really though about it in those terms.
Never realised how expensive the Calibra was!

V12 Migaloo

813 posts

146 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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I rented one of these a few weeks ago and I was impressed, especially when you drive a luxury saloon day in day out. It was refined, even without the rear boot cover, powerful and solid. Didn't care much for the dash board though but a serious contender if I needed a mid sized estate..

Shadows

375 posts

134 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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anonymous said:
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I got mine for 19.5K brand new, ST-2 in black and mytouch. So the price is wayy off..

NGK210

2,926 posts

145 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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In its road test, Autocar said of the ST's mpg: "On a touring run we were delighted to see it nudge past 40mpg, while most owners will also better the 30mpg we averaged."

What has been PH's 'real world' mpg, please? smile

gmackay2

160 posts

195 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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I do like the new ST estate, i have to say.
Here's my mate's ST170 estate getting praise from the original supplying dealer when he recently got it serviced:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=5169568650...

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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NGK210 said:
In its road test, Autocar said of the ST's mpg: "On a touring run we were delighted to see it nudge past 40mpg, while most owners will also better the 30mpg we averaged."

What has been PH's 'real world' mpg, please? smile
Well, going by the trip computer and with the bike racks in place we've seen low 30s. IIRC it was mid 30s before. This'd be 'on a run' as they say. Short journeys seem to murder that though, in fairness.

As it's not me driving I can't really comment though. But we'll make a point of doing something a little more exhaustive and quantifiable with and without the bike racks in place before it goes.

My impression from peering at the trip computer on occasion is that it's quite sensitive to driving style. So short-shift it and sit in the torque band and it'll sup quite gently. But it starts gulping if you rev it out. Nothing on the old five-cylinder though!

Like I say, we'll rule on this in more detail in due course.

Cheers,

Dan

83AndyJ

116 posts

153 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Off topic slightly...

It's nice to see the MX5 with its new shoes on, looking good Mr Trent!

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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83AndyJ said:
Off topic slightly...

It's nice to see the MX5 with its new shoes on, looking good Mr Trent!
Bloody Mazda, always gatecrashing other stories! Thanks though. More on this in due course...

Dan

Roma101

838 posts

147 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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anonymous said:
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It wasn't when we enquired at a VW dealer a few months ago. A big fat 0 discount for us. Times might have changed though.

Zad

12,699 posts

236 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Hmm, 4 months doesn't seem very long for an extended test. If you ponied up for a Mountune upgrade would they let you have it for longer?

> Rattles piggybank <

We really should send someone undercover into a Ford dealer and see how much the real world price for one of these is.

oobster

7,094 posts

211 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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My ST-3 is really starting to loosen up now that it's done 7K miles, and even with the accelerator pedal pushed to the bulkhead whenever possible I am getting a shade over 30mpg according to the dash trip computer.

I have been using that Shell V-Power fuel (or whatever they are calling it now) recently though.

I know what you mean about the torque steer though, I had an 11-plate Focus RS before I bought the 2012 ST & it was SO much more stable. Thats not to say I regard the torque steer in the ST as an all-out nightmare, it's not great but neither is it REALLY bad. Livable-with.

NGK210

2,926 posts

145 months

Tuesday 23rd July 2013
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Dan Trent said:
NGK210 said:
In its road test, Autocar said of the ST's mpg: "On a touring run we were delighted to see it nudge past 40mpg, while most owners will also better the 30mpg we averaged."

What has been PH's 'real world' mpg, please? smile
Well, going by the trip computer and with the bike racks in place we've seen low 30s. IIRC it was mid 30s before. This'd be 'on a run' as they say. Short journeys seem to murder that though, in fairness.

As it's not me driving I can't really comment though. But we'll make a point of doing something a little more exhaustive and quantifiable with and without the bike racks in place before it goes.

My impression from peering at the trip computer on occasion is that it's quite sensitive to driving style. So short-shift it and sit in the torque band and it'll sup quite gently. But it starts gulping if you rev it out. Nothing on the old five-cylinder though!

Like I say, we'll rule on this in more detail in due course.

Cheers,

Dan
Ta for response.

Interesting comment re driving-style/mpg: "Short-shift it and sit in the torque band and it'll sup quite gently." Forum 'experts' tend to opine that "revs not boost", albeit using light throttle, is best for a petrol turbo's mpg - seems the 'experts' are wrong. How unusual.

Cheers smile