RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S: UK drive

RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S: UK drive

Monday 7th October 2013

Porsche 911 Turbo S: UK drive

Harris is one of the first to drive the new 991 Turbo S in the UK



Funny old thing the new 991 Turbo S - it arrived at my house on a Wednesday to zero fanfare and an underlying cynicism that suggested I had little interest in the most expensive Porsche 911. And when it left I felt someone had suddenly removed an intravenous line which had been supplying me with a low-level narcotic.

Latest 911 HUL  too fast for additional photos...
Latest 911 HUL too fast for additional photos...
Without knowing it, I had become quite addicted.

The last 911 Turbo S didn't really do it for me. It hissed and whooshed like an angry snake, but it wasn't keen to involve the driver in the process. It was speed for the sake of speed.

Why is the new car different? Well, it's massively more expensive to begin with. At £140,852 it pushes the 911 into new territory, perhaps a place where something that looks so obviously 911 shouldn't be. But it is now such a complete road machine because Porsche has managed to include the driver in the process. And, dare I say it, the Turbo S now has a very defined and very attractive character, albeit one which takes a few days to emerge.

Porkies
It goes without saying that the car is insanely fast: 560hp and 553lb ft on overboost in something that weighs 1,605kg. Actually, 1,605kg is very heavy for a 911. But on the road you have absolutely no idea of the mass because of the genius rear-wheel steering. Forget the power, the torque and the preposterously capable braking system, what sets this car apart is the rear-steer. It transforms the way the car drives on the road, especially in the very first phase of every turn. The moment you add steering angle the nose of the car moves decisively and the driver instantly feels a sense of confidence in knowing exactly where the car will end up.

...so press photos it is for the time being!
...so press photos it is for the time being!
Not only does this mask the weight of the car, but also its size. The Turbo S is very broad around the hips, wider than the old car and yet to drive it feels narrower because of this new steering system. I think it's a complete revelation and especially useful for the narrow roads we have in the UK. Quite often we feel the need to add or take away some steering lock mid-corner - in a wide supercar that can be a potentially terrifying experience, but in this car you have the confidence to do just that.

Unsurprisingly, the way in which it can cover ground is completely alien to most people, even those who drive conventionally fast cars. You hit the throttle and it accelerates like a mentalist - regardless of conditions. You smash the brakes and it seems to bury itself into the road surface. And we've already discussed the way it can scoot around bends, but the grip levels are all the more astonishing because with the dampers set to soft there's good wheel travel and compliance.

You'll have to imagine the wheel on t'other side!
You'll have to imagine the wheel on t'other side!
In the small print
But you really won't be surprised by much of this - I mean a £140K all wheel drive turbocharged Porsche that's really bloody fast, what a massive surprise.

But where its predecessor had all the personality of Ed Miliband this car has some soul. It makes intake noise, the exhaust crackles on the overrun in Sport Plus mode, the whole thing comes together to form a tangible character in a way the 997 Turbo never did for me. After a few days I was grudgingly telling people the car was actually very likeable, after a week I was looking back at it after every drive. In that respect it's much more like the old 996 Turbo I used to run.

There are no real dynamic problems for the 991 Turbo S then. How such a turbocharged motor can be so responsive and still pulling at 7,000rpm is anyone's guess, why anyone could possibly need to cover ground faster likewise. No, the issue with the car is obvious and straightforward - the cabin doesn't look or feel much different to that of a £40,000 Boxster. The homogenisation of Porsche's range helps its cheaper cars, but the Turbo S really struggles to justify itself as an object against brands that really know the value of making people feel special about how their car looks and feels. Even at £100K, a loaded 991 Carrera S is pushing the boundaries of what might be expected for the cash.

You'll be needing to make use of these
You'll be needing to make use of these
Too much
The flipside to this is that the 911 Turbo has for me always been the car for people who wanted the ultimate 365-day practical sports car, but it's now so expensive I can't see people buying them to use every day, and that then places an even greater emphasis on the car's ability to deliver as an object.

Is that important in a 911? It shouldn't be, and I suppose you can have a basic 991 Turbo for 'just' £122K, but that's still a fair lump for something which to most people just looks like any other 991.

Which sort of brings me back to the clever steering. You see if that heavily specced Carrera S is £100K, then £122K for a base Turbo suddenly appears rather better value to me. You don't get the ceramic brakes, and the thrust is reduced slightly (520hp, 444lb ft), but the rest of the package is the same. I could also do without the PDCC (Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control) and its whizzo adjustable anti-roll bars. In the UK, the search for ever-greater roll stiffness really is the search for an even more chocolate fireguard.

Steer from the rear, but not in a scary way
Steer from the rear, but not in a scary way
It's also very easy to overlook or forget just how practical this car is. Bags on the rear seats, a generous front boot, 4WD, even slots for a roof-rack should you need it.

Including a personality is the bit that gets me though. When the first 991 GT3s arrive in the UK I will espy them with a certain amount of jealousy. It's a car with a much broader operating window than its predecessors and it too benefits from the rear-steer system as well as that 9,000rpm normally aspirated six. But the Turbo S is something else, the thrust is completely addictive, the traction makes you grin and the launch control - well, at some point everyone has to experience the launch control. And it has a quiet, burgeoning demeanour that I think would allow the owner to enjoy a real bond with it.

I haven't said that about a 911 Turbo for years.


PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
Engine:
 3,800cc, flat-6, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: 7-speed PDK, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 560hp@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 553lb ft@2,200rpm
0-62mph: 3.1sec
Top speed: 198mph
Weight: 1,605kg
MPG: 29.0mpg (claimed)
CO2: 227g/km
Price: £140,852

 

   
   
   
   
   

 

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f1ten

Original Poster:

2,161 posts

153 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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epic epic car and looking forward to driving one.

BigTom85

1,927 posts

171 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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How much?!! Yikes.

It sounds a compelling package though. I'm sure they will still sell by the bucket load.

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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An R35 GT-R will do just the same job (apart from exaggerate the size of the driver's manhood) at half the price.

Driver Rider

604 posts

197 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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good article as always Mr Harris. I do agree 911'd have gotten very dear when u consider the competition.

I do love 911's I've driven a boggo 997 and I really enjoyed it can see why they have a cult following. I think most people who get these cars is because you can actually use them day to day and still sell them on. exotics you just don't seem to be allowed to add the miles due to resale fears and practicalities.

I can't wait for the gt2

It's in my list this car for a few years time!

Ps Chris do a video please!

OlberJ

14,101 posts

233 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Does it still sound like a hoover though?

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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GranCab said:
An R35 GT-R will do just the same job (apart from exaggerate the size of the driver's manhood) at half the price.
That didn't take long.

XJR500bhp

1,192 posts

210 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Rawwr said:
That didn't take long.
Aren't they very similar though, and should be compared? I think so

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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XJR500bhp said:
Aren't they very similar though, and should be compared? I think so
It's fine to compare them, just don't do it like a bellend.

LongLiveTazio

2,714 posts

197 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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How refined/comfortable is it? I see it competing with GTs as much as anything.

b14

1,061 posts

188 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Roof rack - I can't help but think that having a roof rack on one of these and some winter tyres, then strapping yours and your wife's skis on it, the blasting all the way up to Chamonix for a week's skiing would make you an absolute hero.

GarethStubbs0801

12 posts

146 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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The same tech that makes the 991 GT3 unappealing to some seems to fit with the turbo and enhance the experience. I'm sure many of us would choose one if we could only have one car for all seasons (I certainly would) excited for the vid vs the Macca!

V8 FOU

2,971 posts

147 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Gorgeous colour (the blue)! Love the "Cosmic" wheels too...... you gotta be a bit old to remember those...

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Rawwr said:
GranCab said:
An R35 GT-R will do just the same job (apart from exaggerate the size of the driver's manhood) at half the price.
That didn't take long.
That's because the GT-R is the elephant in Porsche Turbo's room ( no comments about a GT-R's weight please - the Porker is catching up fast in that dept.)

kingmalik786

25 posts

148 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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I thought the GTR was expensive at 75K seems like a bargain, but the turbo s does hold its value well

Durzel

12,254 posts

168 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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Comparisons with the GT-R are totally valid imo.

If all you can say is "I know which car I'd rather turn up in/drop the keys conspicuously in the pub" then I think you've lost the argument really. As awesome as this car surely is, is it worth twice the price?

I say that as someone who until recently had a fairly new Porsche, and have owned R33 and R34 GT-Rs.

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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V8 FOU said:
Gorgeous colour (the blue)! Love the "Cosmic" wheels too...... you gotta be a bit old to remember those...


I'm old enough ...

T1berious

2,254 posts

155 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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b14 said:
Roof rack - I can't help but think that having a roof rack on one of these and some winter tyres, then strapping yours and your wife's skis on it, the blasting all the way up to Chamonix for a week's skiing would make you an absolute hero.
^this^

DT398

1,745 posts

148 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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GranCab said:
An R35 GT-R will do just the same job (apart from exaggerate the size of the driver's manhood) at half the price.
I think you can only speak for yourself when you say that and what's the point of the "manhood" remark? Did it make you feel better?

A Nissan GTR would never do the same job for me as a 911 and it's each to their own in the end.

The comparison between the two is also (in my view) a bit pointless as the price points are so different. I would have a used 997 Turbo or Turbo S if I wanted to pay "half the price" and get the same kind of performance.

The 991 Turbo S looks like a great car and I would love to own one.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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GranCab said:
Rawwr said:
GranCab said:
An R35 GT-R will do just the same job (apart from exaggerate the size of the driver's manhood) at half the price.
That didn't take long.
That's because the GT-R is the elephant in Porsche Turbo's room ( no comments about a GT-R's weight please - the Porker is catching up fast in that dept.)
Yep. The Porsche is of course a much nicer "thing". The Porsche is very much white collar upmarket compared to the Nissan blue-collar, workmanlike approach.

But it should be remembered that the GT-R did all this when it came out 5 years ago. 5 years is an eternity in modern car design. IMO it puts into context the epic achievement Mizuno-san delivered in the GT-R project.

But clearly the game has moved on and the Porsche is the more complete car. But 2x as much money is pushing it a bit.

The 911 Turbo S is now a properly expensive car.



LuS1fer

41,127 posts

245 months

Monday 7th October 2013
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In an age when the new Ferraris seem almost too technical, too fast and too expensive, this seems like a good car, capable of much the same thing, at a reasonably sensible price. Not that such prices have any reality for people like me but I can say that I would like this car and have never ever coveted a GTR.

I'd probably actually buy a Corvette ZR1 though. I prefer a challenge.

Edited by LuS1fer on Monday 7th October 15:28