RE: Ford Fiesta ST: PH Fleet

RE: Ford Fiesta ST: PH Fleet

Wednesday 11th December 2013

Ford Fiesta ST: PH Fleet

Hello-goodbye - it's been all too brief but an awful lot of fun



With six weeks rather than six months on the PH Fleet the Fiesta ST’s appearance was, well, fleeting. We’d have liked to have had it longer, indeed we did blag another week in order to take it out on track, but between us managed to pack a fair bit of driving into that compressed period.

First Matt went to Essex and got it Mountuned. So equipped it was ready to take the fight to the Clio 200, the result of which you can read here. And something we’ll be revisiting having just ordered a Clio to join the fleet in the new year.

Not the last you'll be hearing of this contest
Not the last you'll be hearing of this contest
This will be interesting because I have a sneaking suspicion extended exposure to the Clio might prove enlightening. Drive the two back to back on a five-minute test drive and you’d think the Fiesta a riot and the Clio dull as ditchwater. After a couple of months you might have softened toward the Clio but be having too much fun in the Ford to care. After six? I have a theory there might be hidden depths and sophistication to the Renault that will only come to light after digging deep. At which point the Fiesta, having offered everything up front, may suddenly find the larder empty.

We’ll see.

Saying that, having started my long journey up to Blyton Park for some driver training with Mark Hales I was ready to pick holes in the Fiesta for being a little one-dimensional and wearing its heart on its sleeve. I still harbour a suspicion the Fiesta delivers all it has in the first nine tenths. But, by heck, it’s fun and exploitable while doing it.

As time passed I found the choppiness of the ride characterful when in the mood and tiresome when not, the basic but well-judged damping just about keeping it in check. Fears the additional Mountune power would fizz the front tyres’ grip away in wheelspin or ping-pong you down the road with torque steer seemed ill-founded though, the Fiesta eager and strong in any gear with plenty of usefully placed punch. Road noise aside it’s not a bad cruiser either.

A greasy circuit was an excellent place to cast a more critical eye on the Fiesta’s behaviour too. Personally I found the steering a little springy and not exactly full of feedback. I found the brakes a little grabby too but overall the Fiesta’s inherent neutrality and balance shone through as an excellent foundation for further exploration.

We've spent time in one, now for the other
We've spent time in one, now for the other
Physics and layout dictate it’s nose-led but unless you’re a lead-footed lummox you can balance the power delivery to avoid too much electronic intervention or wheelspin. And there’s plenty of scope to adjust the ST’s angle of entry to the corner and set it up to deploy that additional firepower as early and effectively as possible. Even with stability control in place the Fiesta will, suitably provoked, throw some surprisingly dramatic shapes but it’s all delivered with an accommodatingly soft edge to the limits.

Where most play it safe Ford has been willing to let the Fiesta pivot around its central axis and there’s lots of scope to experiment with corner entry speed, lifts, trailed brakes and more to get it moving around. It’s fun, rewarding and fast, just that twanginess in the steering detracting from the overall sense of flow.

Many have commended the Fiesta for its back to basics, interference-free nature but in extremis you get the sense the black boxes aren’t entirely leaving you to your own devices. With the stability control supposedly fully disabled there was the occasional hint of intervention – the brake actuated eTVC ‘enhanced Torque Vectoring Control’ the likely culprit – but we’re perhaps getting a little fussy here. The Fiesta is a hoot and Ford is to be commended for including these hidden layers of adjustability behind that eager to please façade.

So it’s not perfect. But Ford has spent its development budget keenly and created a sense of that feistiness and adjustability we once loved in our Clios and 205s without the hunger to punctuate the nation’s hedgerows with hot hatch sized gaps. As I said, I have a suspicion the newly sophisticated Renault may reveal hidden talents at the very upper limits and it’ll be fun finding out. But that Fiesta in the mirrors is never going to be far away.


FACT SHEET
Car:
 Ford Fiesta ST-2
Run by: Anyone who can commandeer the keys 
On fleet since: October 2013
Mileage: 7,135
List price new: £19,645 (Basic list of £17,995 plus £725 for Molten orange paint, £75 for adjustable boot floor, £400 for Sony DAB nav system, £100 for spare wheel, £75 for Deflation Detection System and £275 for ST Style pack comprising grey wheels, illuminated sills and red brake calipers)
Last month at a glance: 'Forgot' to remove Mountune kit, went and overtook some Ferraris


Previous updates:
Whistlestop fleet appearance for in-demand Fiesta ST


Photos: PrimeExposures, Antony Fraser

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j_s14a

Original Poster:

863 posts

178 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Ford have got this absolutely spot on.

You mention that you "have a suspicion the newly sophisticated Renault may reveal hidden talents at the very upper limits" - surely this misses the entire point of a hot hatch? It should be fun, and exploitable on anyones favourite road.

I hope Renault are paying attention, they have lost their way with the current Clio.

Escort Si-130

3,272 posts

180 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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What is adjustable boot floor?

Chicane-UK

3,861 posts

185 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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j_s14a said:
Ford have got this absolutely spot on.

You mention that you "have a suspicion the newly sophisticated Renault may reveal hidden talents at the very upper limits" - surely this misses the entire point of a hot hatch? It should be fun, and exploitable on anyones favourite road.

I hope Renault are paying attention, they have lost their way with the current Clio.
Agreed. Looks awesome, goes like a little rocket, and is even pretty modestly priced. It's one of very few new small cars I'd consider owning.

loudlashadjuster

5,123 posts

184 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Escort Si-130 said:
What is adjustable boot floor?
The last time you asked in a previous ST thread a helpful posted called zeppelin101 said:
If it's similar to what VW do in the Polo, it's a false floor which can be removed so that the new panel sits flush with the bottom of the tail gate. Or near as dammit.

keiran

39 posts

194 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Chicane-UK said:
j_s14a said:
Ford have got this absolutely spot on.

You mention that you "have a suspicion the newly sophisticated Renault may reveal hidden talents at the very upper limits" - surely this misses the entire point of a hot hatch? It should be fun, and exploitable on anyones favourite road.

I hope Renault are paying attention, they have lost their way with the current Clio.
Agreed. Looks awesome, goes like a little rocket, and is even pretty modestly priced. It's one of very few new small cars I'd consider owning.
Agree Also, i think ford have got it correct, and renault have tried to be too clever and its backfired (im not saying its rubbish though)... Still have not seen a single Clio RS, Seen Plenty of Fiesta ST's though, but that is just in the Norfolk area - Not even seen one at the local dealer, but was only driving past (although would have thought they would park it where it could be easily seen...)

framerateuk

2,733 posts

184 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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keiran said:
Agree Also, i think ford have got it correct, and renault have tried to be too clever and its backfired (im not saying its rubbish though)... Still have not seen a single Clio RS, Seen Plenty of Fiesta ST's though, but that is just in the Norfolk area - Not even seen one at the local dealer, but was only driving past (although would have thought they would park it where it could be easily seen...)
That's pretty normal though.

I see the old ST's everywhere, but seldom do I spot a 200/197.

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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I see Top Gear have named the ST as their car of the year.

ToothbrushMan

1,770 posts

125 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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If I was a hard working adult then one of these might be on my list of possibles. Seems like a good all round package for the money......

renaultgeek

473 posts

148 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Podie said:
I see Top Gear have named the ST as their car of the year.
They talk about cars now?

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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renaultgeek said:
Podie said:
I see Top Gear have named the ST as their car of the year.
They talk about cars now?
TG Magazine.

Someone left a copy on the train. smile

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

148 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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keiran said:
Agree Also, i think ford have got it correct, and renault have tried to be too clever and its backfired (im not saying its rubbish though)... Still have not seen a single Clio RS, Seen Plenty of Fiesta ST's though, but that is just in the Norfolk area - Not even seen one at the local dealer, but was only driving past (although would have thought they would park it where it could be easily seen...)
Ive seen a couple of new Clio RS's and I have to say they do look a lot more grown up. I just think looking at the new ST that part of the uniform should be a base ball cap. Its a modern Vauxhall Nova.

W124

1,529 posts

138 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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I seem to remember that the 250 cup tended to underwhelm on launch. I strongly suspect that the Clio will be retrospectively lauded also.

dukebox9reg

1,571 posts

148 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Has the bubble burst on ST interest. The first comment was at 1000 and since then only 13.

Maybe a reflection on the depth comments reflected in the main story.

On a separate note saw my first 208 GTI today and it looked very nice. I have to say in just the visual aspect of the cars the Fiesta would be at the bottom of the pile for me but I suppose it is a bit long in the tooth now compared to its rivals.

Amirhussain

11,489 posts

163 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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The Fiesta ST looks sooooooo much better than the Clio.

Dblue

3,252 posts

200 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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Amirhussain said:
The Fiesta ST looks sooooooo much better than the Clio.
You think? Really?

I think its a great little car but its wheels look far too small for its body and it has a gaping great grille that's too big for it.
Also looks exactly the same as lesser Fiestas.

Clio looks more elegant and grown up I reckon.

j_s14a

Original Poster:

863 posts

178 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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The Clio looks like a people carrier, with XXL headlights. It's truly awful. Past Clios have been some of the better looking hatches.

I'll concede that at some point, we may look back at this Clio and it won't look to bad, like the E60 5 series. But following my 5 series analogy, the E60 never lived up to the legendary E39 and E34 predecessors, and so will it be with the Clio.

TNH

559 posts

147 months

Wednesday 11th December 2013
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No matter how much the Clio may grow on you, it will always look like a dumpy mpv...

redroadster

1,738 posts

232 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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Will the next rs model be based of fiesta or focus ? since they are rallying fiesta a wide arch lookalike would tick the boxes for me.