RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S on track

RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S on track

Tuesday 31st December 2013

Porsche 911 Turbo S on track

The 991 Turbo S needs space to strut its stuff; Silverstone has just that - win!



50 years of the 911? An accurate description of how 2013's Porsche coverage might have felt at times but last we checked it was only 365 days in duration and as the year closes we'll bring a full stop to the chapter headed 'The 911's half century'.

Perfect conditions to test the technology
Perfect conditions to test the technology
Appropriately enough it involves attempting to max out the most potent 991 launched this year and another evolutionary step made by the 911 Turbo.

As you'll know by now, the 991 Turbo is the biggest, baddest and most powerful Turbo yet and adds adaptive aero, 28mm extra in the hips over even the widebody Carrera 4 and comes in 520hp standard and 560hp S trim. As you'd expect, the latter results in a lot of impressive facts and figures but the one that most pricks up the attention is a starting price - starting price - of £140,852. The 911 Turbo has always had supercar troubling performance. But now it's getting on equal terms with price too - perhaps the most significant statement of intent from this new 991-generation car.

Like a duck to water
We'll leave that elephant in the corner of the room for the time being and instead look at what the thing is like to drive. When Dan Prosser took the wheel for PH's first taste back in August it was predictably the ability to shrink the distance between two points that proved most memorable. 560hp, four-wheel drive and an expansive box of electronic tricks will do that and confirmed what the on-paper information released ahead of the launch had promised.

Final hurrah for 2013's 911 obsession
Final hurrah for 2013's 911 obsession
Then Harris drove one in the UK - again mainly on the road - and we got the first hint that this 991 Turbo had something seemingly squeezed out of previous ones. Namely, character. Soul, even. From the 997's "speed for speed's sake" Harris declared the 991 has "a very defined and very attractive character, albeit one which takes a few days to emerge."

We didn't have that luxury for our next go. Would a few laps of a soaking wet Silverstone National be enough to explore this idea further? One way to find out.

Comfort zone
Given that the GT3 is meant to be the track day 911 of choice just what is proven by taking a Turbo S out on track? Well, first that it's bloody fast. Startling revelation of 2013 right there for you. How fast is bloody fast? Relentlessly fast, fast enough to make even the wide expanses of Silverstone narrow into a pinched focal point and make you take deep breaths every time you successfully scrub off the speed for the next corner.

560hp on a sodden track ... and a big grin?
560hp on a sodden track ... and a big grin?
Down the short Wellington Straight on the National loop the Turbo S is pulling close to 140mph before the PCCBs haul all that considerable momentum back down to a pace at which it can realistically turn into the deceptively tight Brooklands/Luffield complex. In the wet at Silverstone you want to keep well away from the conventional dry line, this being as slippery as the skin of a greased up eel, but when the wider wet line is pocked with puddles of standing water that doesn't appeal too much either.

The Turbo is not built to go dancing but whichever of those acronyms it is that gets you into the corner is damned good at its job, the true cleverness of this 991 not the technology in isolation but the seamless way in which it interacts with its partner systems.

Obviously we know that the Turbo is four-wheel steer. And will do everything from stiffen itself to prevent roll, brake inside wheels to curb understeer while diverting power to the outside ones to keep you pointing the right way and shuffle power back and forth to the axle best situated to make the most of it. The technology is boggling. But, like the electric steering, it does such a good job of disguising its synthetic roots you never feel like you've got a technological fluffer there to maintain your driving virility.

Conditions really showed Turbo's talents
Conditions really showed Turbo's talents
The final mix
Like the 918 Spyder
, it's in this calibration of multitudinous technological cleverness where the 991 Turbo - a Terminator of a sports car if ever there was one - gets its soul. Contrived and enhanced or not, the new 911 Turbo at least attempts engagement in the process of going outrageously fast. There's a sense of flat-six howl rather than a flat, flatulent forced induction roar and the greasy Silverstone tarmac allows an exploration of what all those gizmos do at vaguely sensible speeds.

Trying to dissect which is doing what isn't so easy though, such is the seamless integration. Those who've driven it in the dry have commented on the four-wheel steering enhanced sharpness on turn-in. Well, it'll still push on but that's more likely to be the ohmygawd excess speed you've just carried up the straight rather than traditional 911 understeer.

ABS hammering away after another 'holy shiiiiii......' accelerative burst the PCCB brakes haul the Turbo up straight from huge speeds even with one set of tyres in standing water and the other nibbling at ice-like kerbs. Bleed the brake pressure away on turn in and it'll pivot neatly, keep a little too much on and momentum will get those big hips swinging, likewise if you over-commit and then attempt to back out of it.

She's no looker but the Turbo's more fun
She's no looker but the Turbo's more fun
Oh shiiiiiiiiii....
But here's the surprise - a wide window of neutrality and a surprisingly gentle transition into oversteer that can be gathered up with a team effort of corrective lock and stability control. That builds confidence and tentative attempts to ride it out on the throttle, at which point the cleverness really shows itself. A measured amount of right foot straightens the car neatly into a predictable slide as you wind off the lock and deploy more and more power before erupting up the next straight. Or with the PSM incrementally disengaged as confidence grows you can get a little more greedy, at which point the Turbo responds by balancing itself in drifts as lairy as you (or your Porsche chaperone) feel comfortable with. Doing this in the dry will require significantly more commitment but driving it in the wet actually reveals this new-found playfulness at a much more accessible level. It's something of a revelation too.

Making the 991 Turbo fast was never going to be a problem. But making it fun? That's a real masterstroke.

Oh, and don't blow out those candles quite yet either. 2014? 40 years of the Turbo...


PORSCHE 911 TURBO S
Engine:
 3,800cc, flat-6, twin-turbocharged
Transmission: 7-speed PDK, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 560hp@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 553lb ft@2,200rpm
0-62mph: 3.1sec
Top speed: 198mph
Weight: 1,605kg
MPG: 29.0mpg (claimed)
CO2: 227g/km
Price: £140,852





   
   

 

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Dan Trent

Original Poster:

1,866 posts

168 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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Before you ask 'where's the vid?' the answer is pointing out of the side window after I nudged the camera getting in. grumpy

I did watch it back to see if it was worth posting up but it made me feel sick. Apologies - we'll just have to take one out again ASAP!

Cheers,

Dan

Rawwr

22,722 posts

234 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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That blue is awesome. Get me a pint of that.

richs2891

897 posts

253 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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If I win the lottery tonight, would more than likely be my first car purchase

Richard

ellisd82

685 posts

208 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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997 gt2 rs is my favourite porsche, but the Turbo S in blue is a strong contender! If only I could afford one...

belleair302

6,843 posts

207 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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Better cars for both the road and track for £140 K plus options........huge money for a very fast car but where can you use it....when a lightweight sports car would be wonderful as would a GT3 or ex race car for track days.

kambites

67,560 posts

221 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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Obviously people buy them so the market is there, but personally I just don't see the appeal.

GRBF430F1

4,843 posts

170 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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Bl00dy fast and bl00dy ugly. The rear wheel arches and air intakes look hideous, just like saddlebags.
Dare I say it but too fast to be fun on public roads and hardly a supermodel in the looks department
Porsche is a high end sports car and I'd rather spend £140k on the last of the Gallardo's, a true SUPERcar in terms of looks and performance

dxbtiger

4,389 posts

173 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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^
don't you ever get bored of posting about your fking Gallardo??


GRBF430F1

4,843 posts

170 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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dxbtiger said:
^
don't you ever get bored of posting about your fking Gallardo??
Nope, how could you

jakesmith

9,461 posts

171 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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I like the fact that this is obviously ridiculously fast and overpowered for UK roads, but in the recent comparison with the MP4-12C Chris Harris (I think?) commented that above 120, the 12C was 'much, much faster'!!

smilo996

2,791 posts

170 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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So the conclusion of the article is that the only way to make the 911 behave well and entertainingly as a Sportscar is because Bosch has developed enough electronics well enough to prevent the 911 from killing the driver like the old ones used to. The early 90's 911 Turbos for example.
It is certainly not Porsche that will have developed this capability.

Having 4 wheel steering ensures that the previous flaws in the 911, the heavy and baised rear and need for enormous rear spoilers has countered that tendancy.

The 911 has then become the same as the GT-R. Extensive use of technology to ensure the car handles and perfoms to a maximum potential. The antithisis of what a 911 is supposed to be about and other cars can achieve without the extensive help of Bosch.

Why is this a good thing?


kambites

67,560 posts

221 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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smilo996 said:
Why is this a good thing?
It's a good thing (for Porsche) because it appears to sell cars.

AL5026

439 posts

188 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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dxbtiger said:
^
don't you ever get bored of posting about your fking Gallardo??
biglaughbiglaugh

Terminator X

15,075 posts

204 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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Looks amazing in blue! Big car now though, time for the Cayman to step up?

TX.

jakesmith

9,461 posts

171 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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smilo996 said:
The antithisis of what a 911 is supposed to be about
I'm not a fan of these bold all-encompassing statements that are entirely subjective and not based on any fact. Do you mean "what I, and possibly some other enthusiasts think that a 911 should be about" because Porsche didn't get where they are today by pandering to the enthusiast market who may well not make up that high a proportion of buyers of new cars anyway.

I do understand the point you are making but for every knowledgeable enthusiast who can tell a 964 from a 993 and knows all the model history etc, there are probably a much greater number who want something modern, technologically advanced, and way way faster than the fast saloons and hot hatches that give the previous generation cars a run for their money and then some

steve singh

3,995 posts

173 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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I hate all the fussy lettering on the back - it's like a postal address !!!

soad

32,894 posts

176 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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steve singh said:
I hate all the fussy lettering on the back - it's like a postal address !!!
I was thinking exactly the same.

Dusty964

6,923 posts

190 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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smilo996 said:
prevent the 911 from killing the driver like the old ones used to. The early 90's 911 Turbos for example.
A bit like the 1976 934, which won both the European gt championship and the American trans-am championship?

jakesmith

9,461 posts

171 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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steve singh said:
I hate all the fussy lettering on the back - it's like a postal address !!!
Yeah that is ridiculous, the full DVLA model description is too much, I'm surprised they didn't put the engine size and a PDK logo on too. And one for ABS maybe. Much as I'd want everyone to know I had the range-topper I think I would just have PORSCHE on the back when I get one of these (in 2020)

green-blood

147 posts

239 months

Tuesday 31st December 2013
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10percent of the starting price is out of my league but is 140k really super car money? 458/mc12 are both comfortably 50% more again.