RE: Mini Cooper S JCW: Spotted

RE: Mini Cooper S JCW: Spotted

Thursday 2nd January 2014

Mini Cooper S JCW: Spotted

Still struggling with how the next Mini looks? Outgoing JCWs are now under £10K...



On the evidence of the press images that Mini issued a couple of weeks ago, the forthcoming John Cooper Works will be even madder than the previous generation R56 model. Although Mini claims this is just a concept for the time being you can bet your house on the production model looking just the same, which is to say utterly bonkers. How much front grill treatment does one car need anyway?

Turn in, lift off, big smile
Turn in, lift off, big smile
The R56 JCW didn't look as insane as the new version apparently will, although it did have a deeper front splitter and a couple of rather unattractive warts on the rear bumper to set it apart from the standard Cooper S. The driving experience, though, was unhinged.

The 1.6-litre turbo engine was a real bruiser. Peak power was some 210hp and torque rose to 207lb ft on overboost, but the delivery was even more impressive; there was just no lag and the torque curve seemed to flatten from 2,000rpm. The JCW felt properly quick in a straight line and had sufficient tractability to make Boxster drivers sweat.

The chassis was just about up to it. On dry, flat surfaces the front tyres could handle the grunt, but on a greasy or slightly uneven road the car would be tugged this way and that under full power. It was the chassis balance, though, that really defined the JCW because it was just so desperate to get all out of shape given half a chance. I remember exploring this on a test track one autumn and being staggered at how readily the rear end would break free at corner entry.

Nav will help plan the Euro rally hoons
Nav will help plan the Euro rally hoons
I don't remember any massive yaw moments on the open road, but that rear-led balance could still be felt. It made the JCW wonderfully adjustable and engaging to drive. It was a properly thuggish little hot hatch that subverted the standard Mini's cutesy image brilliantly.

That made it one of the more loopy cars in its class, I remember thinking, because as a Mini it would inevitably have been sold to kept wives and spoilt teenage girls who simply wanted the top of the line model. I wonder what they made of its lift-off oversteer characteristics in third-gear corners.

I once drove a JCW some 2,000 miles in three days from England's southeast to Monaco and back. I was in search of rally nirvana and so scrambled up to the Col de Turini in the Alpes-Maritimes north of Monaco. Having effortlessly cruised the autoroutes for 10 hours the previous day, the JCW then lit up the col as if it had numbers on its doors.

Looking fine after 5 years and 70K miles
Looking fine after 5 years and 70K miles
It was an impressive car back in 2008, but at more than £21,000 before options there was no escaping the fact that it was an expensive one, too. A few years on, JCWs are starting to dip below £10,000, just as this 70,000-mile examplehas done. It looks good in black, has a decent optional kit count and even comes with a warranty and care package. I reckon it's a lot of car for the money. If you are tempted by one make sure you know the difference between proper JCWs and the lesser John Cooper Works-kitted Cooper S. On this occasion, you'll want the warts.

 



MINI COOPER S JCW
Engine:
1,598cc, four-cylinder, turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, FWD
Power (hp): 210@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 207@2,000-5,300rpm
MPG: 40.9 (NEDC combined)
CO2: 165g/km
Recorded mileage: 70,738
First registered: 2008
Price new: £21,220
Yours for: £9,899

See the original advert here

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Sir_Dave

Original Poster:

1,495 posts

210 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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PH Bloke said:
If you are tempted by one make sure you know the difference between proper JCWs and the lesser John Cooper Works-kitted Cooper S
You are aware i assume that the one linked to in the article isnt a proper factory JCW (they were launched mid 2008), its just a MCS with the JCW bodykit and perhaps the JCW tuning kit? As per: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_Works

Article needs some work hehe



Dr Interceptor

7,786 posts

196 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Indeed, this isn't a factory John Cooper Works, the fJCW doesn't have the 'Cooper S' badge on the boot lid, just a Works one.

This has the dealer fit JCW kit - 192 bhp, and the aero kit, and works alloys.

[uselessinfo]The dealer fit JCW kit does give you an exhaust with the JCW logo engraved on the tips though (as the R53 had), the fJCW has plain pipes.[/uselessinfo]



Edited by Dr Interceptor on Thursday 2nd January 12:05


Edited by Dr Interceptor on Thursday 2nd January 12:06

RacingBlue

1,396 posts

164 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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I had a Cooper S of this vintage - problematic wouldn't even begin to describe it. I wouldn't buy another.

Matt UK

17,696 posts

200 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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I've recently picked up a 2005 R53 Mini Cooper S.

As the Mini brand moves upwards, outwards, onwards and spawns more varaints, I still think the R53 hatch is the best looking and most fun to drive. Progress, eh...

HannahB

51 posts

147 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Worst car I have ever owned hands down has got to be my R56 Cooper S. Although not JCW it had same stock engine and 'box.

Useless engine which needed de-coking twice, high pressure fuel pump went too and the ultimate ticket to seal it's impending fate of being sold was the head gasket going at 60k.

All in cost me 6k to repair/replace stuff. Handled well though, sounded ace as well but agree wouldn't buy another.

Dr Interceptor

7,786 posts

196 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Yep... the coking up is an issue on the engines, especially on cars that are driven gently.

Lohen (a well known MINI tuner - not affiliated to me) now offer a de-coking service as it's so common - http://www.lohen.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=Lo...


Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Sir_Dave said:
PH Bloke said:
If you are tempted by one make sure you know the difference between proper JCWs and the lesser John Cooper Works-kitted Cooper S
You are aware i assume that the one linked to in the article isnt a proper factory JCW (they were launched mid 2008), its just a MCS with the JCW bodykit and perhaps the JCW tuning kit? As per: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cooper_Works

Article needs some work hehe
Thanks for the info. We're now having a quick tweak of it with a 'proper' JCW to be featured. Bear with just a few minutes!

Cheers,


Matt

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Dr Interceptor said:
Yep... the coking up is an issue on the engines, especially on cars that are driven gently.

Lohen (a well known MINI tuner - not affiliated to me) now offer a de-coking service as it's so common - http://www.lohen.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=Lo...
Seems a lot of direct injection engines suffer from this too - there was a big hoo-ha about the B7 Audi RS4 not putting out the book figures some years back. Didn't Peugeot attempt some sort of 'fix' for this engine?

drgoatboy

1,623 posts

207 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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I quite fancied a Cooper S as commuting car a couple of months back, after a brief poll around the office I couldn't find one person who didn't have something unpleasant to say about its image. Some folks were very animated in their hatred indeed. shoot

It actually put me off buying one, its a shame because other than the image (which I wasn't personally that bothered by) it looks like a great package and the JCW variant looks like a real hoot.

Maybe I should have just manned up, and ignored the peer pressure getmecoat

HannahB

51 posts

147 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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I have a R53 CS and it's ace! 'charged is where it's at!

HannahB

51 posts

147 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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I have a R53 CS and it's ace! 'charged is where it's at!

chris watton

22,477 posts

260 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Matt UK said:
I've recently picked up a 2005 R53 Mini Cooper S.

As the Mini brand moves upwards, outwards, onwards and spawns more varaints, I still think the R53 hatch is the best looking and most fun to drive. Progress, eh...
I agree, bought my wife one and she absolutely loves it like no other car she's owned. I like it, too, great to look at, sit in and drive.

The newer Minis are getting to ridiculous sizes, BMW X3 size, it seems!

I think BMW are milking the brand dry now.

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Story has been updated to include a 'proper' JCW now but there's nothing that can be done about the black car as a lead image unfortunately. Apologies for any confusion, Christmas/NY brain clearly still engaged. We'll ensure some proper research is conducted in future!

Cheers,


Matt

Dr Interceptor

7,786 posts

196 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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s m said:
Dr Interceptor said:
Yep... the coking up is an issue on the engines, especially on cars that are driven gently.

Lohen (a well known MINI tuner - not affiliated to me) now offer a de-coking service as it's so common - http://www.lohen.co.uk/shop/proddetail.php?prod=Lo...
Seems a lot of direct injection engines suffer from this too - there was a big hoo-ha about the B7 Audi RS4 not putting out the book figures some years back. Didn't Peugeot attempt some sort of 'fix' for this engine?
There is a Peugeot fix, it's a really simple 20p cap which goes somewhere and stops oil getting into the inlet. There's lots of info out there on the 207/308 forums.

SteveS Cup

1,996 posts

160 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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An Oil Catch Can is a must on these engines. Which is the cheap fix mentioned earlier. A lot of info on minitorque regarding walnut shell decokes too.

I'm glad the article was fixed with a proper fJCW... fJCW's do not have JCW stamped on the tail pipes and they have the Brembo's... Just a few things to tell them apart.


Court_S

12,932 posts

177 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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That is a fair chunk of car for the money, but I still prefer the way the R53 looked and drove. Its proportions are just so much better.

The bodykit on these is a bit grim though - especially the vent things in the rear bumper. BMW do seem to be milking the brand for all it's worth, but I guess they won't be happy with static sales so need to expand the market.

SteveS Cup

1,996 posts

160 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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Once you get rid of the ridiculous wheel gap you'll be amazed how the proportions of the R56 just look right!


David87

6,656 posts

212 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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I can confirm the handling is a little unhinged on these - I'm beginning to think my one wants to kill me. The GP's tyres just add to the madness in the winter. hehe

0llie

3,007 posts

196 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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RacingBlue said:
I had a Cooper S of this vintage - problematic wouldn't even begin to describe it. I wouldn't buy another.
I'm a big fan of the MINI brand, but I'd have to agree. My '07 R56 S had a shocking reliability record, and wasn't anything like as well fitted together, or as good to drive, as my 2001 Cooper. I'd have an R53 in a heartbeat, but I wouldn't touch another 2nd Gen car frown

Ranger 6

7,052 posts

249 months

Thursday 2nd January 2014
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RacingBlue said:
I had a Cooper S of this vintage - problematic wouldn't even begin to describe it. I wouldn't buy another.
Our first R56 had a chassis number in the early 300s which explained much of the reliability issues.

The second however, has restored our faith and proves to be great fun.