RE: Megane Renaultsport 275 Trophy: Driven

RE: Megane Renaultsport 275 Trophy: Driven

Tuesday 17th June 2014

Megane Renaultsport 275 Trophy: Driven

One step back from the stripped out Trophy-R we drive the 'regular' 275 Trophy



We will now attempt to review the new Megane Renaultsport 275 Trophy without once mentioning the Nurbur- ...oh, damn.

Yes, we drove the 275 Trophy at the Nordschleife. But this is NOT the car that set the 7min 54.3sec FWD record. That is the Trophy-R, a much more extreme expression of the Megane to be built in a limited run of 250 of which 30 will be sold in the UK to the hardest of hardcore Renaultsport fans. With a starting price of £36,430 they'll need to be.

Previous Trophy set a high bar for 275
Previous Trophy set a high bar for 275
The 275 Trophy, meanwhile, costs a more reasonable £28,930 and is basically a 'best of' package, comprising the Cup chassis and limited-slip diff, an Akrapovic titanium exhaust, remapped engine and a full complement of seats and creature comforts. And some stickers.

Number crunching
You can still buy a Megane 265 for £25,990 and add the Cup pack to that for £1,350. For a little over a grand more the Trophy gives you the blingy exhaust (it saves 4kg too) and highly desirable Recaro seats (usually £1,300 extra) as standard, along with various branded trimmings. For more of a flavour of the trick Trophy-R you can add fancy Ohlins Road&Track 'Dual Flow Valve' dampers with clicker adjusters and, at the front, hydraulic bump stops like the Clio 200. That'll add £2,000 to the price, the Michelin Pilot Cup Sport 2 tyres specifically engineered for driving fast around German toll roads another grand (TBC). With these two options you've got a car with more than a hint of the Trophy-R's focus, drama and track ability but a more rounded character catering to those who want a (super) hot hatch that can also do the daily grind.

Yes, that equates to a £30K-plus Megane, something that seems to provoke an irrational and hysterical amount of rage in some folk shortly before they point out you could have a Leon Cupra, Golf R or Audi S3 all with, varyingly, more power, prestige or driven wheels.

Stickers and optional Speedlines for Trophy
Stickers and optional Speedlines for Trophy
To which the Megane offers little more than a Gallic shrug. Performance gains in Renaultsport's world are won through handling first, horsepower second. Which is a brave stance in a world many define by power outputs and 0-62 times rather than how fast it'll actually cover ground.

Say it as you SEAT
Speaking of which we'd better discuss how it actually drives, somehow avoiding the subject of where that assessment took place. The cars we drove were all equipped with the Ohlins dampers and Cup 2 tyres, these of course being the key differences in terms of the abilities compared with the existing 265 we already know. Like that car the base 275 runs Michelin Pilot Sport 2s on the standard 18-inch wheel, Bridgestone Potenzas on the 19.

Like all Renaultsport Meganes, the Trophy is all about the front end and works its tyres incredibly hard. Indeed, you get the sense sometimes all the rear wheels do is stop the back end of the car dragging along the floor.

Designer label bling from Slovenian ti specialists
Designer label bling from Slovenian ti specialists
The Cup 2s are up to the challenge though, an on-hand Michelin man (no, not THAT Michelin man) explaining the aramid belt that runs the full circumference of the tread area helps maintain the tyre's shape and increased sidewall rigidity provides confidence on turn-in. Michelin also promises a 50 per cent longer life than the previous Cup tyre and even after a morning of constant abuse on the launch event the cars were on their original rubber.

Option tyre
There's certainly a pleasing amount of weight to the wheel and the sense of something to push against when using what seem like massively over-ambitious entry speeds. The Trophy will eventually understeer but hangs on doggedly with no sense that front-end washout has been engineered into the chassis to dissuade you from leaning on it properly. And as with all hot Renaults there's well telegraphed willingness to use weight transfers to pivot the car around the front axle if you finally have reached the extent of the grip. Soon as the front end is pointing where you need it you can get hard on the power too, the mechanical limited-slip diff hooking up far more positively than either ESP-based systems or even the actively controlled Haldex-style one in the Cupra and Golf GTI Performance.

Paired with Swedish suspension expertise
Paired with Swedish suspension expertise
Chatting with Renaultsport test driver Laurent Hurgon he has some interesting observations to make about the SEAT in particular, having watched the onboard videos of Jordi Gene. "He is on the power much earlier than I would be in the Megane - if I was to drive this car the same way we would just get understeer." And that tallies with experience of both the Golf GTI Performance and the SEAT - the VAQ 'diff' needs a moment to wake up and rally the troops before actively pulling the front end into the turn, Gene's pre-emptive throttle inputs achieving just that.

The Megane, meanwhile, is all about carrying speed rather than building it and there's a pillowy pliancy in the posh dampers that just seems to slow everything down and give you time to think. There are no sharp edges to the damper stroke, just fabulous body control and exploitability the kind of which you can only get with a well-engineered passive damper. What, you thought it was horsepower that makes cars go faster?

Few compromises demanded in here
Few compromises demanded in here
OK, so the Trophy has a little more of that too. But the engine work has focused on the mapping, extending the existing torque curve to match that of the power. The rev limiter still cuts in a little earlier than you'd expect, not helped by the linearity of the power delivery and monotone roar of the exhaust characteristic of all hot Meganes. The adjustable shift-up beep is actually quite useful when you're pressing on, the Akrapovic exhaust adding more growl off boost and characterful bangs and pops on the overrun. Only a slightly balky shift action gets in the way; calm your inputs a little and it's happier. Aurally it's unmistakably a turbocharged car though and perhaps the better for it - it's not trying to sound like anything it's not.

The standard brakes seem well up to the job too, the Trophy-R getting optional larger front discs (350mm rather than 340mm) on aluminium bells if you really want to give it death on track and reduce unsprung weight by another 3kg. We're waiting to hear if you can have these on the Trophy; the lovely looking Speedlines that save 5kg themselves will be available optionally though.

Trophy defined by handling rather than horsepower
Trophy defined by handling rather than horsepower
The extreme nature and headline grabbing (guilty as charged) achievement of the Trophy-R are all well and good but threaten to put those of the 'regular' Trophy in the shade a little. Which is a shame because this is a properly focused car combining the astonishing raw speed and track ability of cars like the R26.R with all the daily usability that defines the hot hatch experience. The -R reveals the lengths required to bag those final tenths; the Trophy reveals just how potent the standard package already was.

 

 


MEGANE RENAULTSPORT 275 TROPHY
Engine: 1,998cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, mechanical limited-slip differential, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 275@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 265@3,000-5,000rpm
0-62mph: 6.0 sec
Top speed: 158mph (standard 265)
Weight: 1,376kg (excluding driver, standard 265)
MPG: 37.7mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 174g/km
Price: £28,930

 

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Daggerpie

Original Poster:

1,434 posts

201 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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It really does sound an awesome car & package (won't mention the price, I suppose someones got to buy them new!).

I'm really not so sure about that front end mind, it may be a grower but everything looks so bulbous, almost as if it's under a huge magnifying glass!!

roystinho

3,767 posts

175 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Nice little write up Dan

JT has said that the better brakes won't be offered on this though - FYI

As you pointed out, doubt anyone will go for a 265 now, this offers so much value over it. Gotta have the ohlins though. Were they easy to adjust from inside the car?

And don't shout it too loudly, but there's no point speccing the cup tyres at £1k. Apparently you can pick a set up for about that on the market, so if you get the better wheels and buy the tyres separately you essentially get a spare set of rubber for free wink

V8 FOU

2,971 posts

147 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Don't like FWD too much, but my Clio 182 convinced me about Renaults. This looks brilliant, especially in Yellow with the Ohlins, thank you.

iloveboost

1,531 posts

162 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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'Renaultsport test driver Laurent Hurgon has some interesting observations to make about the SEAT in particular, having watched the onboard videos of Jordi Gene. "He is on the power much earlier than I would be in the Megane - if I was to drive this car the same way we would just get understeer." And that tallies with experience of both the Golf GTI Performance and the SEAT - the VAQ 'diff' needs a moment to wake up and rally the troops before actively pulling the front end into the turn, Gene's pre-emptive throttle inputs achieving just that.'

So the VAQ engages more slowly but more precisely which means it can be driven more aggressively than a mechanical diff? So the reason the Megane looks calm from apex out, is because he's holding it back a bit to stop the diff creating power understeer by locking too fast? Interesting. Well to me anyway. biggrin

epom

11,488 posts

161 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Whilst I appreciate the last figure on a car like this that I should be looking at is the top speed, I can't believe a Megane will make it all the way to 158mph ?

irish boy

3,533 posts

236 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Nice. This car will lose out on publicity to the trophy-r but will sell well to enthusiasts.

Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

173 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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epom said:
Whilst I appreciate the last figure on a car like this that I should be looking at is the top speed, I can't believe a Megane will make it all the way to 158mph ?
Look at the video of the record breaking lap - he hits ~150 on the home straight

EricE

1,945 posts

129 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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epom said:
Whilst I appreciate the last figure on a car like this that I should be looking at is the top speed, I can't believe a Megane will make it all the way to 158mph ?
Even 6-7 year old "warm" hatches like the GTI and Mini Cooper S will do up to 145 mph and this Megane has an additional ~100 bhp.

philmots

4,631 posts

260 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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epom said:
Whilst I appreciate the last figure on a car like this that I should be looking at is the top speed, I can't believe a Megane will make it all the way to 158mph ?
Why? It's not that far short of 300hp!

FivePotTurbo

25 posts

123 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Even the facelift is growing on me, now prefer it to the old nose. One of these in yellow with a remap and 6 grand in change from the R.
What will depreciate faster though, this or a Leon Cupra 280, if you want a bit more space in the back. Have a feeling the Cupra will be a bargain at 2-3 years old.

Ali_T

3,379 posts

257 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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philmots said:
Why? It's not that far short of 300hp!
Exactly. The 197bhp EP3 Civic Type R could hit 149mph.

I'm really warming to this. Might have to go annoy a Renault dealer (then probably remember why I avoid Renault dealers...)

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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iloveboost said:
'Renaultsport test driver Laurent Hurgon has some interesting observations to make about the SEAT in particular, having watched the onboard videos of Jordi Gene. "He is on the power much earlier than I would be in the Megane - if I was to drive this car the same way we would just get understeer." And that tallies with experience of both the Golf GTI Performance and the SEAT - the VAQ 'diff' needs a moment to wake up and rally the troops before actively pulling the front end into the turn, Gene's pre-emptive throttle inputs achieving just that.'

So the VAQ engages more slowly but more precisely which means it can be driven more aggressively than a mechanical diff? So the reason the Megane looks calm from apex out, is because he's holding it back a bit to stop the diff creating power understeer by locking too fast? Interesting. Well to me anyway. biggrin
It's not quite that; more that there's almost lag in the VAQ diff you need to pre-empt, a bit like you would with an old school laggy turbo. When you first get on the power it feels like it's going to power understeer off into the undergrowth but keep your foot in and it actually redistributes the drive torque and actively pulls you back on line. It's a bit disconcerting and takes a bit of trust so isn't as instinctive and readable as the mechanical diff in the Megane. You'd have to be very early on the power to get power understeer in the Renault too, mostly it just grips and goes.

Can I mention the 'ring briefly? Coming out of the Mini Karussell you could get fully on the power way in the corner and then as you bounce out of it with one wheel in the air the other one was still clawing at the track with no drop-off in traction or deflection off line.

Cheers,

Dan

martin elaman

94 posts

127 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Dan,
I would love to hear how Renault seems to make the best electric steering in the business. I wonder just how little assistance the electric motor delivers to the wheel, maybe that is the key? martin

Kolbenkopp

2,343 posts

151 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Dan Trent said:
Coming out of the Mini Karussell you could get fully on the power way in the corner and then as you bounce out of it with one wheel in the air the other one was still clawing at the track with no drop-off in traction or deflection off line.
Sounds pretty impressive, as does the rest of the car. Thanks for the super write up!

DeltonaS

3,707 posts

138 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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roystinho said:
Nice little write up Dan

JT has said that the better brakes won't be offered on this though - FYI
The two-piece 350mm brake discs are available aftermarket for every Megane 250/265/275.

roystinho

3,767 posts

175 months

Wednesday 18th June 2014
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DeltonaS said:
roystinho said:
Nice little write up Dan

JT has said that the better brakes won't be offered on this though - FYI
The two-piece 350mm brake discs are available aftermarket for every Megane 250/265/275.
Of course, but you won't be able to spec your brand new trophy with them smile

kambites

67,543 posts

221 months

Wednesday 18th June 2014
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Now this with the uprated dampers and maybe cup tyres seems a much more... worthwhile car than the "R" to me. smile

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 18th June 08:43

roystinho

3,767 posts

175 months

Wednesday 18th June 2014
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Just to add, you won't get the composite springs on the non -R if you spec the ohlins as well, just standard steel ones

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Wednesday 18th June 2014
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Kolbenkopp said:
Dan Trent said:
Coming out of the Mini Karussell you could get fully on the power way in the corner and then as you bounce out of it with one wheel in the air the other one was still clawing at the track with no drop-off in traction or deflection off line.
Sounds pretty impressive, as does the rest of the car. Thanks for the super write up!
It really does doesn't it? Again, great write dan thumbup

iloveboost

1,531 posts

162 months

Wednesday 18th June 2014
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Dan Trent said:
It's not quite that; more that there's almost lag in the VAQ diff you need to pre-empt, a bit like you would with an old school laggy turbo. When you first get on the power it feels like it's going to power understeer off into the undergrowth but keep your foot in and it actually redistributes the drive torque and actively pulls you back on line. It's a bit disconcerting and takes a bit of trust so isn't as instinctive and readable as the mechanical diff in the Megane. You'd have to be very early on the power to get power understeer in the Renault too, mostly it just grips and goes.

Can I mention the 'ring briefly? Coming out of the Mini Karussell you could get fully on the power way in the corner and then as you bounce out of it with one wheel in the air the other one was still clawing at the track with no drop-off in traction or deflection off line.

Cheers,

Dan
That's impressive but I can't understand why an electrical diff would take more time to lock than a mechanical diff and that's why I interpreted the quote wrongly. For example here's a quote about the BMW active M-diff compared to the previous mechanical diff:
'The Active M Differential is the next step in giving the rear wheel drive chassis more control and stability. Rather than requiring slip, like a viscous differential, the new system can be proactive thanks to the use of electronics. It interprets data from the Dynamic Stability Control to provide the optimum locking force to each wheel all before a wheel breaks free.' The VAQ diff seems like a FWD version of this diff from what I can tell from photos, etc so why is it slower to lock than a mechanical diff when that quote is saying active diffs are faster? It's confusing me.