RE: Lexus RC F: Review

Thursday 11th September 2014

Lexus RC F: First drive

Harris attempts to sideline the looming presence of the BMW M4 as he drives the new Lexus RC F



There is no finer theatre in the automotive world than a passionate Japanese engineer attempting to explain the inner working of his latest creation. Kazutoshi Mizuno, father of the modern GT-R, once gave a virtuoso performance to a few gawping hacks on his fast car philosophy, which as far as I could tell went against pretty much every accepted tenet of modern physics. But I left the room a believer.

Well, they certainly didn't hold back on the looks
Well, they certainly didn't hold back on the looks
Japanese engineers are design fundamentalists. They are pure perfectionists, and I love listening to them - Lexus's Yukihiko Yaguchi was no different. His message was less evangelical but saturated with pride at a career which began on the original LS400. His audience was struggling to concentrate as the bizarre acronyms flowed - the small Brit contingent had been delayed on their way into New York. So, as Yaguchi-san began his sermon on the origins of the new Lexus RC F, Steve Sutcliffe was wrestling with his overnight bag on his lap as Jethro Bovingdon and myself seemed to be unable to focus on the ten-foot Plasma screens - and I couldn't be sure Chris Chilton had actually found the meeting room. But that's not unusual. We were shagged, and accordingly had the attention spans of horny goldfish.

To the point
Mercifully, the presentation was short - Japanese tech briefings can last days, which is fine if you're in the mood but brutal if you've been awake for 23 hours.

Attention to geeky detail is distinctively Lexus
Attention to geeky detail is distinctively Lexus
It struck me as I watched my friends and colleagues pretending to earnestly take notes, just as I was doing, that this whole fanfare was potentially pointless - and through no fault of Lexus. The reason I'd reached that conclusion then began to seem a little disturbing, saddening, even. Because here was Lexus flying us to the US, giving us the wonderful Monticello Circuit to play with, here was Yaguchi-san bearing his heart about the development of the RC F and the typical fastidiousness displayed by a Japanese high-performance brand, and yet all anyone would ever want to know about the car was if it was better than a BMW M4.

That's it. All that passion, all that engineering - titanium intake and exhaust valves, the ability to switch between Otto and Atkinson cycles, and so much besides distilled down into one simple barometer of success. Is it as good as a certain BMW?

Inescapable truth
A sad situation, when you think about it. But, in the modern consumer age, an unavoidable one and one peddled by people like me. I mean, does it really matter if the RC F is better or worse than an M4? So long as it's a great car that people want to own, should the comparison matter?

No doubt my pangs of sympathy were brought about by a quick peek at the spec sheet as we'd walked in to the room. Here's Lexus attempting to elbow its way into the M4's marketplace with a coupe that will not seat four adults in any comfort and that weighs 1,840kg but offers 392lb ft of torque at a high 4,800rpm. Forget peak power outputs and claimed performance times, we all know that if you want to know how punchy something will be on your everyday grind, run some arithmetic on the torque-to-weight ratio, then see where the peak torque arrives. I'll do it for you this time. M4: 405lb ft, 1,850rpm, 1,537kg. RC F: 392lb ft, 4,800rpm, 1,840kg

That's a whole lotta grille right there
That's a whole lotta grille right there
To channel the great R Burgundy - this new Lexus is badly under-gunned. Which in a class that has quietly become a repository for small German muscle cars, is something of a worry.

All mouth
No matter that for those of you - make that us - who appreciate the styling. Who see the strands of LFA DNA and a shape which is more complicated than anything European in the class. Yes, Lexus appears intent on delivering a vehicle whose entire frontal area is an intake grille, but the rear haunches are spectacular, as is the way a few steps either side of a the square-on rear reveal different shapes and protrusions. The stacked exhausts? Not for me, ta.

The specification is a mixture of the sublime and the baffling - actually, it's almost all appealing but spoiled by the spectre of that kerb weight figure. The powertrain is IS F, plus quite a bit more. Capacity is now 5.0 litres, power is 478hp at 7,100rpm and you already know the torque figure. It runs the same eight-speed automatic gearbox as the old saloon. It's two-wheel drive only with a Torsen diff as standard with the option of a torque vectoring differential.

V8 is tuneful but at least two turbos down on rivals
V8 is tuneful but at least two turbos down on rivals
We trundled from Westchester to Monticello in Normal mode and, having written that, I now need to tell you about the modes. All cars in this class simply have to have 'modes'. I hate them. The RC F has four modes, Normal, Eco, Sport and Sport Plus. Each offers a different variation of throttle response, electronic chassis system intervention and dashboard layout. Eco is actually the most radical, because it's here that the combustion cycle is altered for increased fuel economy. Throttle response is wound right back too.

Chop chop
I hate judging ride comfort and chassis subtleties in the US for a European audience because the conditions are so different - in the States, you tend to either drive on perfectly smooth surfaces, or completely broken ones. And over the latter it won't come as a surprise to learn that the RC F crashes about.

On the smooth stuff it's firm, but controlled. I'd say it was more supple than an RS4, but less so than an M4 in its Comfort damper setting. But I'd want to drive them all in the UK to be certain. The transmission is easy in traffic and slushes neatly between eight ratios. Seven of those are performance related, the eighth is a true overdrive. The steering is notable for its clever weighting and I think if I back-to-backed it with a new M4 on the same road, I might prefer this aspect of the RC F to the BMW. But I haven't, so I can't make that call yet.

Cabin is audacious and beautifully executed
Cabin is audacious and beautifully executed
I simply love the cabin - in many ways it represents what I want from a fast Lexus, and that is simply a statement of Japanese style that doesn't conform to the German class norm. The centre console rises above thigh height, there are numerous decks and nooks and baffling shapes that meet to create a very, very special feel. The metal surround to the analogue clock is delicious.

But why go to all this effort, then design some special front seats and not allow them to drop low enough? Yep, you sit too high in this car, and that's a big minus-point for me.

Track and field
After a two hours trundling through New York state we arrived at the quite excellent Monticello circuit. This is a private member's track, run just like a golf course and the full lap is so good you just know Herr Tilke had nothing to do with its design.

Quality and imagination both feature highly
Quality and imagination both feature highly
There was much talk about the RC F's track abilities in Mr Yaguchis's preamble the night before, but it takes just two turns to realise those words were probably unwise. The RC F is a heavy car that struggles to cloak its mass. In terms of direction changes, turn-in and brakes, the new M4 runs rings around it.

The engine is, in isolation, quite joyous - screaming to 7,300rpm with a more sophisticated howl than an AMG. But if ever you wanted proof that the new bi-turbo generation of Germans have moved the game on, try the RC F on a track. Even with a claimed 392lb ft, it seems strangely flat exiting second gear corners, and at no point does the car feel anything like as quick as the BMW. The outgoing C63 507 would disappear in a straight line too. Lexus claims 4.4 to 60mph and a little shy of 170mph, which should be more than enough, but you really have to work to make it feel that quick.

Nobody's going to mistake it for a BMW at least
Nobody's going to mistake it for a BMW at least
Does motive force matter in this class? Not fractions of seconds, no. But the RC F is a good deal slower than those two, and I suspect the RS4 is a mite quicker too. Most importantly, given the 4,800rpm torque peak, this is a £60,000 hot coupe which could easily be handed some manners by an M235i. And I'm not sure that's the way things should be.

Hope yet
The RC F doesn't leave the game at that though. Yes, it felt too big and heavy on a very challenging track, even with the clever, optional torque vectoring differential working hard, and running sticky Michelin Super Sports, but then it's a street car, so does that really matter?

On the road you have to rev it to make it move, but the reward is sublime noise, a crisp gearshift from the steering wheel paddles (which felt a little cheap to me) and what an Autocar road test in 1977 would have called 'good road manners'. I left it in comfort mode, and found that the best balance of response and, er, comfort.

'Not German' is actually a pretty strong sell
'Not German' is actually a pretty strong sell
Look, it's just a very pleasant place to be. It ain't no M4, but then it'll be sold in tiny numbers, is arguably a much more appealing object, and for those who couldn't care less about long powerslides, lap times and beating M235is at the lights, I think it might prove to be a great car. There's also a suspicion that it would reveal further layers of character over time, in the way an M4 might not.

BMW can rest easy, and Lexus has probably arrived at a 2014 party in 2008 clothes, but the RC F still has something about it. And it's not German, which for some people will be enough on its own.


LEXUS RC F
Engine:
4,969cc V8
Transmission: 8-speed auto, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 477hp@7,100rpm
Torque (lb ft): 391lb ft@4,800-5,600rpm
0-62mph: 4.5sec
Top speed: 168mph
Weight: 1,840kg
MPG: 26.2mpg (claimed)
CO2: 252g/km
Price: £59,995 (before options)

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Discussion

TNH

Original Poster:

559 posts

147 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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I've read a few reviews of this car and the thing that has me confused is that people have been moaning that we are losing N/A motors and going turbo. This car turns up with a thumping great big V8 and all the motoring hacks bemoan the lack of torque?

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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TNH said:
I've read a few reviews of this car and the thing that has me confused is that people have been moaning that we are losing N/A motors and going turbo. This car turns up with a thumping great big V8 and all the motoring hacks bemoan the lack of torque?
I suppose in this case a lot of that is down to the weight. A N/A V8 with 400lbft of torque probably works very well in a 1500kg car but not so much in one which is closer to two tonnes.

We we need, is for someone to mate this engine to the rest of an M4. smile

dufunk

182 posts

123 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Disappointing considering the ISF weight 1600kg that would of been perfect plus i dont think this looks any better or even handles better. 2UR is a great engine and who knows there could be room for a turbo in the future.

cerb4.5lee

30,560 posts

180 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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I watched a vid of Steve Sutcliffe reviewing it and he loved the noise but felt it suited the road better than the track because of its weight and overall feel yet it was launched at a track strangely, I think its good that Lexus has stuck with N/A engine in a world of blown motors so they should be applauded for that I reckon.

zeduffman

4,055 posts

151 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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I rather like this car. A screaming V8 in a pretty (imo) coupe is going to be a dying breed. However, I suspect this car's main problem will be the E92 M3 - you can get a really good one for £35k and probably offers the same experience (although happy to be corrected).

dufunk

182 posts

123 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Cant make a complaint about the engine thats for sure for the capacity and N/A those figures are really good. Can't wait to see a few swaps over in japan.

cerb4.5lee

30,560 posts

180 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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kambites said:
TNH said:
I've read a few reviews of this car and the thing that has me confused is that people have been moaning that we are losing N/A motors and going turbo. This car turns up with a thumping great big V8 and all the motoring hacks bemoan the lack of torque?
I suppose in this case a lot of that is down to the weight. A N/A V8 with 400lbft of torque probably works very well in a 1500kg car but not so much in one which is closer to two tonnes.

We we need, is for someone to mate this engine to the rest of an M4. smile
The V8 M3 only had 295ibft to deal with around 1600kg so I suppose its all relative really but it is amazing how times move so quickly because to say nearly 400ibft of torque is lacking from a N/A engine seems mad so it must show how many of us nowadays are used to the low down shove of blown engines.

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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cerb4.5lee said:
The V8 M3 only had 295ibft to deal with around 1600kg so I suppose its all relative really but it is amazing how times move so quickly because to say nearly 400ibft of torque is lacking from a N/A engine seems mad so it must show how many of us nowadays are used to the low down shove of blown engines.
True.

Personally, I hate lots of low-down torque in something which is meant to be fun to drive. Being forced to rev the engine is half the fun. smile

Quickmoose

4,494 posts

123 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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A £60k coupe being taught some manners by a 235i.....ouch

I still prefer it to an M4...and as I type that I can see how stupid that comes across. As a package though, the 3/4 series are just too common. As soon as I heard that there were more 3 series than Mondeos I just knew I'd fall out of love with them eventually...for me there is such as thing as too good, or too succesful.

(In the same way I bemoaned the dominance of Ferrari in F1.... but now I desperately want them to challenge MB)

cerb4.5lee

30,560 posts

180 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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kambites said:
cerb4.5lee said:
The V8 M3 only had 295ibft to deal with around 1600kg so I suppose its all relative really but it is amazing how times move so quickly because to say nearly 400ibft of torque is lacking from a N/A engine seems mad so it must show how many of us nowadays are used to the low down shove of blown engines.
True.

Personally, I hate lots of low-down torque in something which is meant to be fun to drive. Being forced to rev the engine is half the fun. smile
Yes I agree and in a fun weekend car a N/A engine should always win the day because you aren't looking for instant punch and you don't mind working an engine to get the reward from it. driving

cerb4.5lee

30,560 posts

180 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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zeduffman said:
I rather like this car. A screaming V8 in a pretty (imo) coupe is going to be a dying breed. However, I suspect this car's main problem will be the E92 M3 - you can get a really good one for £35k and probably offers the same experience (although happy to be corrected).
I suppose in some ways you can compare this to the E92 M3 but that car is relatively old now and the last generation but I do think this offers a nice alternative to the current blown engined M4 and it will never be as polished as a M4 in many ways but some would buy it purely because of its noise I think and that's where the M4 does fall flat on its bottom.

Baryonyx

17,996 posts

159 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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It looks fantastic and sounds intriguing. Unlike the M4.

dufunk

182 posts

123 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Lexus interiors blow bmw's out of the water even the older IS's are nicer than the 1 & 3 series.

jamespink

1,218 posts

204 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Sorry, I just cant see how this Lexus gets near a full on M series for real ability. It seems many are so keen for there to be a rival they step over handling, braking, feel, downright specialness to come up with a challenger. £60k for this Lexus? Not of my dosh...

stuart-b

3,643 posts

226 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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The question is why we're all so statistically obsessed? What's wrong with looking at a car and loving it because how it makes you feel and how it performs in the situations you want? You can only drive one car at once! If it drives nicely, is a great place to be, is reliable, looks interesting, has character - isn't that enough? That's all we had to go on when people owned BL cars! "Only 400ft/lb?".

Who cares really.

torres del paine

1,588 posts

221 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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A terrible mess styling wise, inside and out and looks particularly revolting from the rear - does nothing for me whatsoever.

E92 M3 or latest M3/4 for me.

dufunk

182 posts

123 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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At least they try bmw have had the same grill since the 70's its hard to determin a new model these days. Lets face it lexus have only been making sport cars the last 7 years they are continuely learning the trade and with the LFA being counted as one of the best build cars ever their doing alright.

exceed

454 posts

176 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Surely they would have benchmarked this against an M4 to know that there car was either better or on par?

From all the reviews I've read it seems like they were shooting in the dark for a large portion of development...

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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How in the name of God did they make it over 1800Kgs - does it have lead wiring?

Almost 400kgs more weight than the class-leader - FOUR HUNDRED - I'd want Solid-Gold Gearknobs and a crystal chandelier in there somewhere to explain that!!

400kgs is over 10 tanks of fuel - it's 4 average passengers - it's 75% of a 'dry' BAC Mono - it's a LOT of weight...

I don't really think the M4 is all that light - tho I guess, given people's obsession with "gubbins" in modern cars, it's not terrible (it's still 2 Elises tho!!)

articulatedj

102 posts

121 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Lexus need to switch to aluminum chassis ASAP. The problem is that it's a barge.

I have a feeling the next C63 will do everything the RF-F doesn't, while retaining the V8 sound. That's their true competition.