RE: Alfa 4C: The Comeback

Wednesday 6th May 2015

Alfa 4C: The Comeback

A UK car on UK roads and even some rain for good measure - can the 4C deliver?



Good things come to those who wait, apparently. So here we are, 18 months after Harris first drove the Alfa 4C and more than a year after our first experience of it over here, now with a British car, British roads and, er, British weather. Given a few days with the car we did everything bar a track day you would want to do with arguably the most exciting sports car of the moment: took the long way home from work, took the normal and boring way home from work, went to see friends in it, drove down to Goodwood and skipped the Bank Holiday lie-in for a B-road blast. Hopefully now we can deliver something definitive on the 4C and whether it really does represent the bright future for Alfa we all so desperately yearn for.

Let's begin with the negative aspects. Obviously it isn't perfect but these are real problems, not just quirks that could be excused under 'passion' or 'character' or whichever cliche you chose to apply. Most concerningly the Alfa is an exceptionally nervous car to drive down a British B-road. The front end weaves like nothing else, finding cambers and imperfections you never knew existed and throwing the car off course all too frequently. It requires too much concentration, a problem compounded by the 4C's steering.

And to think this can't be enjoyed inside!
And to think this can't be enjoyed inside!
Round the bend
A light sports car shorn of power assisted steering should be fabulous but the little Alfa just isn't. The small adjustments required for that bizarre weaving sensation are hard to meter out because the steering is so light off-centre. It becomes a guessing game to keep the 4C tracking true, then the steering weights up and drags the car further than originally intended. For a steering system that promised so much the 4C simply fails to deliver on feel and response. It's nice to have weight in a steering system that isn't artificial but just shows that removing power assistance is no guarantee of success. A Toyota GT86 is a more satisfying car to steer with electric assistance. Really. And the wheel itself? If the car is considerably prettier in the flesh then the wheel is most certainly uglier. It's a daft shape, overly thick where your hands rest and the paddles appear direct from a MiTo.

Adding to the rather unnerving B-road experience is the throttle response. In All Weather it feels as if power is being withheld, Natural feels anything but with too great a step from All Weather and Race seems to deliver full throttle about half way through the pedal travel. And while traction is very good, even in the wet, the vagueness of the steering and throttle makes gauging the limit more of a challenge than you would hope.

The failings can be worked round but they shouldn't have to be. You learn not to grip the steering wheel tightly, to use less of the throttle travel and to do everything possible to avert your gaze from the steering wheel. Which is all a bit ridiculous really.

One problem that can't be avoided are the seats. Harris complained of a lack of support and unfortunately that remains true for taller gents. They lack under-thigh and lumbar support so longer journeys become uncomfortable.

Anyone have F4CUK?
Anyone have F4CUK?
Low. Carbon
Moreover, that other aspects of the 4C are very good make its problems all the more infuriating. They feel like annoying calibration and finishing problems, that so much time and effort was expended on the carbon tub that the rest was ignored to a large extent.

So what are the good parts? Well that carbon construction is the Alfa's USP and a properly exciting one too. You climb in over exposed carbon, peer at it under the carpets and it makes the car feel really exotic. On the road too you can sense an inherent stiffness that allows the suspension to be quite supple, making the 4C far more comfortable than its low-slung stance would suggest.

The brakes as well are superb once up to speed with great feel, perfect pedal placement for left-foot braking and what feels like limitless performance. But obviously you can't brake too hard for fear of the nose veering its way across the road... It's similar through bends too; on occasion the 4C feels fantastic, assured and neutral through long corners and agile too. But frequently it will be deflected from the chosen line or your initial steering input is incorrect. Too often with the 4C you're guessing at rather than taking control of the dynamics. A track test surely beckons for future.

The engine is mega though, making that on-off throttle and some occasional hesitancy even more noticeable. It doesn't feel that revvy but that huge torque shoves the little Alfa along effortlessly and very rapidly. It's all accompanied by a wonderful collection of noises, with whistles and splurts and blares throughout. The gearshifts are certainly quick and dramatic enough too, with some nice short ratios. Anyone who thinks four-cylinder automatic sports car are dull needs to have a go in one.

As something to drive then the 4C is rather curious; the small dimensions and tiny kerbweight imply precision and minute adjustment where the reality is a far more approximate experience, anticipating boost and second guessing steering inputs. Very strange. As mentioned though these feel like detail tweaks to address rather than fundamental flaws, a point we will return to.

Seriously though, who allowed this?
Seriously though, who allowed this?
'Compact Supercar'
But if the driving experience is a disappointment then the 4C's desirability just as an object, as something to be seen in, to arrive in and to discuss with just about everyone is off the scale. In five days with the car I was followed into petrol stations, accosted by pedestrians, pointed at, waved at and just made to feel like a rock star behind the (really horrid) wheel of this little white Alfa.

Never have I known such universal appreciation for a car; kids wanted to sit in it, fellow drivers nodded in approval and even the female reception was positive. Not that I was paying much attention, of course... Alfa markets the 4C as a 'compact supercar' and for garnering public reaction it's certainly up there. A few were in attendance at the Supercar Sunday Breakfast Club at Goodwood and they certainly weren't overlooked in a line up of Ferraris, Aston Martins and Porsches. For a £50K car the public response is extraordinary and the appeal of that to potential customers shouldn't be ignored.

Furthermore, the 4C is full of some beautiful little details that make the crappy ones all the more bemusing. How can such gorgeous leather grab handles and aluminium floor-hinged pedals be signed off with Fiat Punto ventilation controls? The very cool TFT display was enveloped in our car by a really cheap feeling carbon surround. And wait until you see the phone cables sprouting from under the dash...

"There never used to be a bump here."
"There never used to be a bump here."
There is no doubt though that the 4C feels like a genuine slice of mini-exotica inside and out. It even has authentically poor rear visibility. But therein also lies the 4C's problem. The looks were always going to make it an intensely covetable thing, aided by the Alfa image of course. And if it was going to be a very pretty body on top of some average underpinnings then the dynamic shortfalls would be more excusable.

But it's the fact that Alfa went to the effort of engineering a carbon fibre tub for a £50K sports car, with all the benefits to ride and handling that that should bring, and then not quite delivered on the promise that makes it so frustrating. Everything about its fundamentals suggests it should be brilliant, and elements of it are very good, but as an overall package it never comes together like the best drivers' cars.

Having said that there's huge promise and potential in the 4C. The issues raised about the steering and engine response, plus the bizarre front-end behaviour, feel like they could be remedied with further development work rather than a total overhaul. And we've been here before with Alfa, haven't we? The 8C Coupe never delivered on its promise but the Spider was by all accounts a far more enjoyable car. Let us hope the same is true for the 4C Spider and indeed subsequent coupes. With a few more months testing these early flaws should be addressed to create the excellent Alfa sports car we're all waiting for. They shouldn't have been there in the first case but what did you expect from an entirely new Alfa Romeo?

For now the 4C is a sports car for posers rather than the drivers. It's exceptional for the former in fact. But it doesn't feel a million miles from being a sports car for the latter either and we're all patently aware the ingredients are there. If that can be achieved then we really will have a small Alfa sports car to be very, very excited about.


ALFA ROMEO 4C
Engine
: 1,742cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed dual-clutch auto (Alfa TCT), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 240@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 258@2,200rpm
0-62mph: 4.5 sec
Top speed: 161mph
Weight: 895kg (dry)
MPG: 41.5mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 157g/km
Price: £45,000 (£54,078 as tested, comprising £360 for Pastel white paint, £900 for Matte black, diamond finish 17/18-inch alloy wheels, £450 for sports exhaust, £360 for painted brake calipers, £420 for rear parking sensors, £1,750 for Luxury Pack comprising Bi-LED headlights with carbon surrounds, £1,200 sports leather/microfibre seats, £260 for cruise control, £300 Alfa Romeo Hi-Fi speaker system, £90 for floormats, £300 for carbon fibre instrument cluster, £1,205 for carbon fibre wing mirrors, £1,258 for a carbon fibre spoiler and £200 for leather covered rear bulkhead storage)

[Images: Ben Lowden]













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daveco

Original Poster:

3,676 posts

146 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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895kg dry!

I don't get the love for the way this thing looks-a Lotus Elise is a far better resolved design imo.

GTEYE

1,274 posts

149 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Much as I want to applaud Alfa for doing this, its really a bit of an ego trip, that won't make them any money.

Something a little more mainstream might have been in order - this is a little too "Lotus".

The long awaited Giulia really needs to be good - this year I believe?


pSyCoSiS

2,389 posts

144 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Nice car, but £50K+? I like the looks and it seems to be a great little package, but jut seems to be a lot of money for it...

r11co

6,244 posts

169 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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That really is an unfortunate numberplate.

TNH

470 posts

86 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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That interior is bloody awful.

Love the outside bar the front light cluster though.

Shame it doesn't live up to they hype.
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D.no

276 posts

151 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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So, on balance then, it's a car for poseurs not drivers?

8bit

2,620 posts

94 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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I really like the idea of the 4C, but for me it looks too much like the 8C. That's not to say the 8C is ugly in my eyes, exactly the opposite - I think it's the most beautiful car on the road today. But for me that's the problem; I'd walk out to my 4C, look at it and wish I had the 8C. For me, that's it ruined.

Pooh

3,078 posts

192 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Alfa have a recall out at the moment to replace the front shocks and I believe that a geo check/change is also included.

Fury1630

392 posts

166 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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^^ Amen to that ^^ & who decided the mirrors should grow from 1/2 way up the doors??

Itsallicanafford

1,921 posts

98 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Sounds like some Cat D bargains will be around soon.

Ruskins

199 posts

60 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Pooh said:
Alfa have a recall out at the moment to replace the front shocks and I believe that a geo check/change is also included.
Where did you hear this?

mr shoddy

44 posts

63 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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How did they manage to make a car with a carbon tub so heavy? This should have been less than 700Kgs with half a tank of fuel.

Pooh

3,078 posts

192 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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On the Alfa forums, I have been doing some reading because I quite fancy a 4c.

PunterCam

813 posts

134 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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8bit said:
I really like the idea of the 4C, but for me it looks too much like the 8C. That's not to say the 8C is ugly in my eyes, exactly the opposite - I think it's the most beautiful car on the road today. But for me that's the problem; I'd walk out to my 4C, look at it and wish I had the 8C. For me, that's it ruined.
It's got a similar front bumper... That's about it though..

It looks good on the road because it's small, not because it's beautiful. An Elise might look more resolved in photos, but the proportions of the 4c make it a much more exotic looking car in the metal.

I'm sad it's still rubbish though. I'm sure it's quick, and I have no doubt you think the 4 cylinder engine and auto box are not dull, but this car should have had a small capacity v6. 2.5l, 250bhp, 8000rpm, and either a good auto or a simple manual. It still would've done 40mpg, and they could've sold it for £80k easily with a proper interior. They wouldn't have been able to make enough. As it is I still hope Ferrari do just that with this tub. Dino.

unpc

2,064 posts

152 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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I've always had a soft spot for Alfas as my first car was an Alfasud and had a 147GTA a few years ago but as always, for all the promise, they are half finished. I've driven loads of others and they are always brilliant and crap in equal measure. I really wanted to like this car but anyone who buys this over an Exige V6 needs their head examined.

That wheel is positively gopping.

vz-r_dave

3,346 posts

157 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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GTEYE said:
Much as I want to applaud Alfa for doing this, its really a bit of an ego trip, that won't make them any money.

Something a little more mainstream might have been in order - this is a little too "Lotus".

The long awaited Giulia really needs to be good - this year I believe?
I am sorry but forget the sales, you are on a 'Speed Matters' car forum how can anything be 'a little too Lotus'? really?

Do Alfa really see this as a money maker or an enhancement of the over-all brand? It has been a long time since Alfa made a sports car and judging by this I very much applaud them, even if the car has it's flaws.

TaylotS2K

1,660 posts

146 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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I do like the 4C. Looks much better in red with the telephone dial wheels mind.

Paddymcc

549 posts

130 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Strange how the jalopnik writers have the complete opposite view of this car.

Do the Americans have a different steering/suspension setup?

http://jalopnik.com/the-alfa-romeo-4c-shames-every...

Also the americans headlights look miles better too





Edited by Paddymcc on Wednesday 6th May 13:17


Edited by Paddymcc on Wednesday 6th May 13:18

celicawrc

1,389 posts

89 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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No manual gearbox? No thanks!

Niffty951

1,687 posts

167 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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All the way through reading this I was thinking how similar to my memories of my Z4MC it was. Beautiful two seat coupe with all of the ingredients that make your piston head pimples rise, yet just somehow misses the mark. It wasn't a keeper.

Fantastic description of the same feeling though, I never managed to put into words that feeling of the front end diving for the nearest camber under braking, the uncertainty of how communicate your next input to the (unquestionably capable) chassis. Put me right back behind the wheel as it was thrown around over lumps and bumps at speed. Add in the Ludicrous throttle response in sport more, steering that was heavy but uncommunicative and you'd be well fitted to do an 'Or try this from the classifieds' article.

There was still some magic on show in the right moment and a few memorable drives I miss it for. I'm sure the Alfa driver of today will look back on a few fond memories tomorrow.