RE: Audi RS4 (B5) Avant: PH Heroes

RE: Audi RS4 (B5) Avant: PH Heroes

Friday 23rd October 2015

Audi RS4 (B5) Avant | PH Heroes

The original RS4 still has the power to amaze 15 years on



Performance is relative: just ask a passing photon. Which is why fast cars inevitably become comparatively slower as newer and quicker models arrive. It's the natural order of things and was ever thus, spread the timespan widely enough and you realise that a BMW 320d would have the legs on a pre-war Grand Prix car.

Read our first drive of the 2018 Audi RS4 Avant

Now this is a stance
Now this is a stance
Yet it's also a principle that the 'B5' Audi RS4 bends to near breaking point. Because even 15 years after it was introduced it still feels properly fast. Indeed after spending a day in this particularly fine example, borrowed from Audi UK's heritage collection, I genuinely don't believe that either of its successors would be any quicker when asked to deal with the real world. By the standards of 2000 it went like a rocket with another rocket stuck up its chuff.

Rule Britannia
These days it seems that Audi is prepared to stick an RS badge to practically anything in the range, but the 'B5' RS4 was only the second model to wear the 'Renn Sport' derived moniker, following on from the 1994 RS2 Avant. That car had been co-developed with Porsche, and was fast and spacious enough to get a whole generation of motoring hacks trying to think up tortuous references involving high-speed wardrobe transportation. But when Audi decided it wanted to create an uber version of the 'B5' S4 five years later the engineering collaboration with Porsche had ended.

How does it still look so good in yellow?
How does it still look so good in yellow?
Fortunately another had just begun, bringing us to the British connection. Audi bought Cosworth Technology in 1998, the road car fettling side of the race engineering business, and one its first tasks was to create a high output version of Audi's 2.7-litre twin-turbocharged V6. Obviously this would need more power than the S4, which managed 260hp from a standard version of the motor. But corporate pride also demanded it should outgun the 315hp that Porsche had squeezed from the RS2's 2.2-litre turbocharged five-pot.

The result was a major reworking, with the RS4 getting Cosworth designed cylinder heads (which were cast in the UK) along with new dished pistons, uprated conrods and bigger intercoolers, as well as redesigned induction and exhaust systems. The net result was 380hp, still impressive now but off the scale for a car this size at the time. Drive was delivered through a six-speed manual gearbox and Audi's familiar Torsen-diffed Quattro system. The claimed 4.9-second 0-62mph time made the RS4 the fastest production estate in the world when it was introduced.

Wearing well
Very few cars could hope to carry off a paint scheme this radioactive, but the RS4 manages it. The brightness of the yellow finish emphasises both the pumped-up bodywork and the car's wider stance nicely. And beyond the chunky bodykit the details are relatively subtle: this was before Audi started giving its S and RS models silver door mirrors and dazzling LED DRLs to assert their superiority. Indeed beyond the 18-inch alloys and minimal badging there's very little to tell other road users what this exotic beast was, apart from the fact it had likely just passed them at Mach 3, of course...

Get the turbos blowing and it's still very fast
Get the turbos blowing and it's still very fast
It might feel like Audi design moves at the rate of an arthritic glacier, but step back three generations at once and the changes become obvious. Externally the clearest difference (literally) is how much glass there is, with a low window line making it feel like a greenhouse compared to more modern A4s. Inside the cabin this gives a feeling of lightness and a good view out, but also a chance to realise that - despite all the "hewn from solid" guff trotted out at the time - the interior feels dated too. The button strewn centre console seems to have been designed by the work experience kid, and the electric window switches seem to be the same cheap-feeling units that were fitted to the Mk3 Golf. Nor is it really big enough to justify many of the lugging comparisons; this was still the era when compact executive cars would only fit similarly condensed occupants into their rear seats, and the only wardrobe you'd get into the boot would be one designed for a dolls' house.

The Cosworth connection gives relevance to our choice of photoshoot location - on some of the more interesting roads around Silverstone. This car has been part of the heritage collection practically since it was new - the odometer owns up to just 2,850 miles - and is in genuinely timewarp condition, complete with an as-new Alcantara steering wheel and a never-updated period sat-nav system that seems to be running MS-DOS, and which refuses to acknowledge the fact the A43 now bypasses Silverstone village.

Ride quality? Er...
Ride quality? Er...
Party like it's 1999
No excuses are necessary for the powertrain. The engine grumbles slightly and feels predictably laggy at low revs, it's always perfectly drivable but with a distinct pause between making a request and feeling the boost build. Get above 3,000rpm and that disappears and the engine starts to pull like there's a fire underneath it, going harder all the way to the 7,000rpm where peak power arrives. It might not pull with the sonorous top-end enthusiasm of the two naturally aspirated V8-powered RS4s that have followed it, but its boosty mid-range feels considerably keener. It certainly doesn't seem to give anything away in overtaking pace, the broadness of the torque band giving decent response even if you're in too high a gear, and the gearchange itself is nice enough.

Not that you feel cossetted. More recent RS models have grown softer and comfier, but the B5 RS4 is from the era when fast Audis were expected to display unyielding chassis discipline at all times. The suspension settings feel somewhere between iron and concrete over the surfaces of some of the corrugated B-roads we drive over, with the limited padding of the optional Recaro sports seats making the RS feel even firmer. On the plus side it's still happy to cruise rapidly on smoother roads, the natural pace feels more Autobahn than motorway, but you're definitely not going to confuse it with a pillowy limo.

Which way to the Autobahn?
Which way to the Autobahn?
Sticks like scandal
Grip levels are still huge, with what look like period Dunlop SP Sports still delivering Velcro-like levels of adhesion. There's no give in the chassis, little sense of fun when you up the pace - it wants to stick, not slip. The central Torsen differential is set up to split torque evenly across the axles whenever it can and this RS4 does without the biasing systems or active differentials that more recent fast Audis use to try and sharpen their responses. That means that the limits, when you do find them, are guarded by understeer. But all-out thrappery has never been the point of the RS4, let's be honest. This is a car that's designed to deliver speed without requiring heroic effort.

There's plenty to like as well. The steering feels great compared to the digital systems of more modern rivals, it's relatively low-geared but delivers proportional responses and some actual feedback is allowed to get past its hydraulic assistance. The RS4 was famous for the vastness and power of its brakes when new, and the middle pedal is still far less over-servoed than most Audis, with good feel and still-impressive retardation. I'd be fibbing if I said it was a particularly involving dynamic companion, but even driven with the deference due to what is basically a borrowed museum exhibit it still feels supremely composed and capable when travelling at a serious lick.

Familiar Cosworth magic under here
Familiar Cosworth magic under here
Demand Side Economics
The biggest problem with the RS4 has long been finding a good one. Even when it was new many potential buyers were disappointed: only 500 right-hookers came here between 2000 and 2002 according to the DVLA. Since then a combination of both natural attrition and the desire of some owners to make their cars go even faster has progressively thinned the numbers of uncrashed standard examples. They can be pricey to run, too - with predictable appetite for brakes, tyres and sometimes even turbos plus fuel economy that struggles to break into the 20s. The 18-inch wheels are infamous for suffering from pothole deformation, too - although Audi later introduced a stronger reinforced rim. Many are sporting serious mileages, and like all middle-aged Audis they can suffer from poor parts support. Yet the RS4's very usability remains the key part of its appeal: come rain, sleet, snow or even a zombie apocalypse, this really is a modern classic you can use every day.

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Audi RS4 Avant (B5) Specifications
Engine
: 2,671cc biturbo V6, 30-valves
Transmission: 6-speed manual, four-wheel drive via Torsen differential
Power (hp): 381@7,000 rpm
Torque (lb ft): 324@2,500-6,000rpm
0-62mph: 4.9 sec (claimed)
Top speed: 162 mph (limited)
Weight: 1,620 kg
On sale: 2000-2001
Price new (2000): £46,500
Price now: £15,000 - £25,000

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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jontbone

Original Poster:

214 posts

219 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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Still looks gorgeous 15 years on and for me they look far more special than the latest versions do. Too many S lines out there these days diluting the brand.

Often considered one for myself, but the lack of numbers has kept the prices strong and I'm just not prepared to pay those prices for such an old car. Similar issues with NSX, Supras and Skylines.

There'll always be one of these in my fantasy garage though....

Edited by jontbone on Saturday 24th October 03:52

m444ttb

3,160 posts

229 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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One of my favourite cars at the time. My 18 year old brain couldn't quite comprehend this Porsche 996 fighting estate! I think the RS4 helped confirm my love of estates (fast or otherwise), which began with Volvo 850 touring cars.

rs4al

927 posts

165 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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I had one for 4 1/2 years, 60,000miles, a little stage one remap from MRC transformed it, with a lot more low down torque but still had a nice bit of lag to give you a kick in the back.

Loved it, once the bendy wheels were sorted by Audi. It's a shame that the new RS4 (rumoured to be twin turbo V6) will be a much bigger car as the B5 was the perfect size imho.

Amirhussain

11,487 posts

163 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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lick Nogaro Blue for me please smile

JonoG81

384 posts

105 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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Amirhussain said:
lick Nogaro Blue for me please smile
yes absolutely

Dave_ST220

10,293 posts

205 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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Amirhussain said:
lick Nogaro Blue for me please smile
Used to see a saloon every day in that colour. Lovely.

KMB

254 posts

223 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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Very nice cars, quite surprised to see a museum piece with <3000 miles exhibiting a worn seat bolster and steering wheel, but I guess quite a few non driving people have sat at the helm over the years.

STiG911

1,210 posts

167 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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This is one of the best Heroes write-ups I've read in a long time. Proper adoration for the road missile that is the RS4, yet with tongue firmly in cheek when referring to the time it was created.
Bravo clap

hoegaardenruls

1,218 posts

132 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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I owned mine for about 7yrs, and it is one of those cars that just gets under your skin.

Mine was bought with the intention of being a fast, practical car in preference to some of the more obvious choices when my son arrived and it fitted that role perfectly. A great all rounder, especially when it's had a few tweaks - a full exhaust upgrade and remap took it to 470ish bhp.

Over two years on, I still don't think I've been forgiven by my son for selling it.

Nors

1,291 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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Andy20vt said:
Only 348 left on the road according to howmanyleft (plus another 74 SORN). In the last 2 years when out in mine have only ever seen another 2 or 3 other examples on the road so it's really nice to be driving something so rare. Best thing is that to most people then it just looks like an old Audi estate car, particularly in Avus grey, just the wider stance and a few subtle details giving the game away to those in the know.

Performance is still epic. Mine has had a couple of subtle mods, a remap giving probably around 425bhp and an uprated rear ARB which improves the cars handling balance and involvement no end. It will put the power down cleanly in any weather, in almost any conditions, plus it will swallow two mountain bikes plus weekend kit making it perfect for use as a daily drive.

Okay so servicing isn't cheap and certainly cant be skimped on, but then with values rising recently, the fact it cost a little more to maintain and fuel kind of balances everything out (or that's how I justify it anyway). Plus the build quality of these early Audi's somehow seems more a little more long term than today's offerings - mine hasn't let me down anyway in 2 years of thorough use, and the interior still looks pretty much like new, couldn't say that about a lot of 15 year old cars.

Edited by Andy20vt on Thursday 22 October 10:32
Agree with all of that Andy!

I've had mine 9 years and seen only 2 in that time (outside of organised events)on the open road. Very rare, in Scotland at least.

They can still be used as daily's but not if you're doing higher milages like me (500 miles / week)as the fuel bill would cripple me. I do take it to work from time to time as it still feel special to be in and ironically, I have it with me today. So, I'll be heading up the A84/A85 at 4.30 in mine.

Mine is one of 7 left in Santorin Blue (well, there was only 8 originally in RHD)and I can't see myself parting with it anytime soon. Loba Cams, Sports Cats, Exhaust and a custom re-map should mean about 470bhp for mine, but they're very tunable if your pockets are deep enough.


Nors

1,291 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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rs4al said:
I had one for 4 1/2 years, 60,000miles, a little stage one remap from MRC transformed it, with a lot more low down torque but still had a nice bit of lag to give you a kick in the back.

Loved it, once the bendy wheels were sorted by Audi. It's a shame that the new RS4 (rumoured to be twin turbo V6) will be a much bigger car as the B5 was the perfect size imho.
B5 is not exactly a lightweight, but it does feel/look quite small when sitting beside a B8 which looks massive in comparison.

eddieantifreeze

74 posts

158 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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I had a misano red one. Completely standard and de-badged from factory. Epic car, great power delivery - always felt like more than 380bhp with a lovely power band, especially considering its turbocharged. The grip, oh the grip - pilot sports all round and the lateral grip was astonishing at times.

Getting my geek on from that article, I do recall that mine and many others had the RS silver mirrors (single piece ally numbers), I'm assuming that was standard?

I remember my only complaints about the car being bump steer on typical UK B roads (mildly bum puckering at higher speeds) and my left leg getting a good workout in traffic jams.

But either way my dream car that I was lucky enough to own, unfortunately growing up got in the way and I sold it to buy a house.

PaulD86

1,659 posts

126 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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There's one for sale in Aberdeen in the PH classifieds that I know about. A very nice clean car if anyone is looking for one. thumbup

Nors

1,291 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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Pistonheads said:
this was before Audi started giving its S and RS models silver door mirrors
Only because the car used in the article had the Black Optics pack which made the mirrors the same colour as the car.

Mine definately has the Silver Mirrors.





Edited by Nors on Thursday 22 October 11:22

jontbone

Original Poster:

214 posts

219 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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Nors said:
Only because the car used in the article had the Black Optics pack which made the mirrors the samre colour as the car.

Mine definately has the Silver Mirrors.

Corrrr, that's bloody gorgeous in that blue

tomjol

532 posts

117 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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An Avus silver one lives close to me, I always wave frantically like a loon from my contemporary S3 when I see it out on the road cloud9

Nors said:
Only because the car used in the article had the Black Optics pack which made the mirrors the same colour as the car.

Mine definately has the Silver Mirrors.





Edited by Nors on Thursday 22 October 11:22
It seems I have made rather a mess of my trousers...

Nors

1,291 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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jontbone said:
Corrrr, that's bloody gorgeous in that blue
Cheers mate!

rs4al

927 posts

165 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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Mine going round Brands, bloke in a vintage Aston commented on how fast it was for a dog carrier...

Nors

1,291 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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tomjol said:
It seems I have made rather a mess of my trousers...
laughthumbup

For Eddie:-

Here's one of my favourite pics of one that belongs to a mate (Hope you don't mind Kenny)



Nors

1,291 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd October 2015
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Andy20vt said:
Yes the B5 is around 1,600kg I think, but then the newest B8 is around 200kg heavier which I guess kind of offsets any gains in power from the newer car.

Amazing how far ahead of it's time the B5 RS4 was. Have test driven a few other supposedly quick newer cars recently, none of which seem to match the B5's effortless pace. Most modern cars to me, however quick on paper, just seem to lack that proper old school 'turbo shove' and feeling of unlimited torque that these older cars can give.
1620kg Andy.

The Turbo shove in the back is indeed very addictive! The modern NA's definately don't 'feel' as quick.