RE: Porsche 911 R images leaked

RE: Porsche 911 R images leaked

Tuesday 1st March 2016

Porsche 911 R - Geneva 2016

Officially official, 911 R is the GT3 we were asking for with a 4.0-litre RS engine, manual gearbox and really daft stickers [updated pics]



"A wolf in sheep's clothing - the new Porsche 911 R" - so opens the official press release on perhaps the most exciting 911 variant in a long, long time. Who, exactly, are they trying to kid? This is, after all, a 911 with the more aggressive GT3 front bumper, a slammed ride height, central exhausts, the dimpled magnesium roof from the RS. And some bright red stripes running from bumper to bum. Nobody is going to mistake it for a vanilla Carrera 2.

Those seats and a manual? Yes!
Those seats and a manual? Yes!
The way it looks is perhaps the least exciting thing though. And if this is the response to all the carping about lack of manual gearboxes and the rest in the current GT3 range it looks like all that moaning was well worth it.

In short we have 1) the most exciting modern 911 engine in the shape of the normally-aspirated 500hp 4.0-litre GT3 RS motor 2) a manual gearbox and 3) the slimmest kerbweight of any 991 variant in the range, RS included. What more do you really need to know than that?

Possibly 'when can I have one?' to which the answer may be the only frustration. More on that shortly.

Built alongside the GT3 and GT3 RS in Porsche's GT department, the R revives a precious 911 nomenclature from 1967. As those well-versed in 911 history will know, the R is one of the most coveted of all historic Porsches with just 20 sold to private owners back in the day in addition to a handful of factory prototypes. Basically a 911 S with as much weight stripped out of it as possible, the R used aluminium and fibreglass panels, the absolute minimum of instrumentation, thinner gauge metal and glass than standard and topped it off with a race-spec engine revving to 8,000rpm. As a road racer it was an absolute weapon, its philosophy, rarity and racing provenance making it the reference point for many a resto-mod or backdated 911.

What's a fast 911 without silly stickers?
What's a fast 911 without silly stickers?
In that sense the new 911 R isn't an entirely honest evocation of the original's philosophy. If we're being really fussy it'd have the slightly revvier 3.8-litre GT3 motor and run a lightened Carrera shell. And they wouldn't be making as many as they are. Which is about as convincing as any attempt to be objective and critical about this car will be.

Now, where were we?

Demanding 8,250rpm before it'll give you the full 500hp, and 6,250rpm for its 339lb ft of torque, anyone coming from a newly turbocharged Carrera will probably wonder what all the fuss is about. Good. This assumes they'd even drive a car with three pedals and a gearstick in the first place. For the number crunchers it'll do 0-62 in 3.8 seconds (so is only a tenth quicker off the line than a PDK Carrera S) and it tops out at a more impressive 201mph.

PCCB brakes are standard, there's a mechanical locking differential out back, centre-lock wheels, a titanium exhaust and the option of a lightweight single-mass flywheel for super snappy response and, we'd hope, a properly lumpy, chuntery idle like all 'proper' 911s. If your footwork isn't quite quick enough to make it sing properly there's an auto blipping button to spare your blushes. Although it lacks fixed GT3-style aero it keeps the Carrera's retractable rear wing and has a dedicated diffuser to help maintain high-speed stability. The only possibly contentious feature is the four-wheel steering, as featured on GT3 and RS and optionally on Carrera models. Sure, it has tangible benefits in terms of agility. But also dials out some of that trademark 911 handling balance you suspect R customers might have traded for a couple of tenths for.

So how far above £130K will these sell for?
So how far above £130K will these sell for?
We really are splitting hairs now though. Most impressive is the weight saving, the 1,370kg kerbweight 60kg less than the most bare bones manual Carrera 2 you could buy and 50kg less than the RS. Ditching PDK loses 20kg from the rear alone, arguably making this a better balanced car than either GT3 or RS. It has the latter's scalloped magnesium roof and carbon front bootlid, this material also used for the front wings. Rear and side windows are made of plastic, sound insulation has been reduced, there's no rear bench and the standard seats are lightweight fixed carbon items. Air-con and stereo need to be optioned back in if you want them; frankly an RS motor howling to 8,000rpm plus through a titanium exhaust should satisfy your in-car entertainment needs but each to their own.

Price and availability? Brace yourself... Just 991 Rs will be built and the German market price is confirmed as 189,544 euros. That makes it the most expensive normally aspirated 911 you can buy, nearly 9,000 euros more than the RS with only the 202,872 euros Turbo S costing more. In the UK the RS is priced at £131,296 so extrapolate away from that while bearing in mind cost is probably the least of the problems if you want one.

 

 

 

 

 

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WCZ

Original Poster:

10,517 posts

194 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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nice, expected to be around £300k though?

a6khu

106 posts

227 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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All sold apparently...would have been nice if more people could enjoy the cars rather than sticking them in their collection, as is the way with most of these Motorsport products

Icehanger

394 posts

222 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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WCZ said:
nice, expected to be around £300k though?
238K apparently....Neighbour apparently has his name down on one!!eek

graeme4130

3,827 posts

181 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Clever marketing by Porsche seeing as they're all sold out
It's kinda like 'here's what you could've bought' if you were a better customer
I'm sure a few dealers will have 'cancelled orders' up for sale at 180% the sticker price sometime soon like the Gt3RS and GT4 cars

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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So when Porsche said the auto was necessary on the new GT3 as the engine was just too quick for the Spanish gearbox?

Gorbyrev

1,160 posts

154 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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£238K? That's obscene. Unobtanium for those who invest or have enormous amounts of spare folding. Hardly an enthusiast's car for a premium like that. I even like the stripes!

k-ink

9,070 posts

179 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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So Porsche make an interesting 911 then tell you it is unavailable. Pointless.

Vocht

1,631 posts

164 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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If it's anything like the 997 GT2RS then it'll be absolutely incredible!

I'm guessing they'll be using the same gearbox as the 997 GT2RS as the 7 speed in the 991 was a bit of a dog apparently?

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

218 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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This is as close as you get to a German firm admitting it made a mistake, but still making oodles of money from that mistake.

Cough, do you see what they did there, wasn't really a mistake was it just niche of a sub niche.

WCZ

Original Poster:

10,517 posts

194 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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k-ink said:
So Porsche make an interesting 911 then tell you it is unavailable. Pointless.
wouldn't be the first time.
the 599 apeta annoyed a *lot* ferrari owners, the first they heard about it was an email saying "introducing the already sold out 599 ap.."

GroundEffect

13,835 posts

156 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
So when Porsche said the auto was necessary on the new GT3 as the engine was just too quick for the Spanish gearbox?
?

That doesn't even make sense. For a DCT normally the issue is that the engine is too slow to respond to get shift quality but there is no issue for a manual.


Sam All

3,101 posts

101 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Gorbyrev said:
£238K? That's obscene. Unobtanium for those who invest or have enormous amounts of spare folding. Hardly an enthusiast's car for a premium like that. I even like the stripes!
238k euros more likely.

mattwilko

70 posts

122 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Icehanger said:
WCZ said:
nice, expected to be around £300k though?
238K apparently....Neighbour apparently has his name down on one!!eek
I saw about that figure but in dollars. Less than €200,000 I'm hearing.

If the GT3 RS is £131k, surely this can't be too much more than £150-175k?

GroundEffect

13,835 posts

156 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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mattwilko said:
Icehanger said:
WCZ said:
nice, expected to be around £300k though?
238K apparently....Neighbour apparently has his name down on one!!eek
I saw about that figure but in dollars. Less than €200,000 I'm hearing.

If the GT3 RS is £131k, surely this can't be too much more than £150-175k?
With the RS selling for ~£250k then they can put it up for any price they want. £200k punt.

DanS

1,137 posts

284 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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I'm a bit over Porsche reserving their best engineering for collectors and speculators. I'd really have liked one of these, but the dealer who looks after my current 911said "no way".

So instead of buying this, I'm going to buy something else, from another manufacturer. I'm sure Porsche won't care.

wtdoom

3,742 posts

208 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Be still my beating heart , lose the stripes and keep the Porsche script . Perfection , just absolute perfection

Chris Stott

13,342 posts

197 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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I'm a massive Porsche fan, but this is somewhat underwhelming.

Unless there's something hidden in the spec sheets it's nothing more than a GT3RS with a manual box and no rear wing. Hardly Earth shattering.

je777

341 posts

104 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Surely if you bought one of these - or any of the other GT3 Porsches - you'd be incessantly thinking 'If only it didn't have electric power steering.
Buy one of the older versions and have somebody modify it to your idea of perfection. Still cheaper than buying this new - if you could.
But less money to be made on speculation.

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Is this going to be 991.1 or 991.2 based? As the pictures don't have the new "3D" rear lights but the dash looks to have the latest PCM. Or is this just someone photoshopping what they think the R will look like?:

What ever engine (GT3 or GT3RS) it sounds like it'll be fantastic - but I hope the stickers are optional.


wtdoom

3,742 posts

208 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Chris Stott said:
I'm a massive Porsche fan, but this is somewhat underwhelming.

Unless there's something hidden in the spec sheets it's nothing more than a GT3RS with a manual box and no rear wing. Hardly Earth shattering.
Maybe but exactLy what some of us want mr Stott . A decent sized car , manual gearbox , no wings and cage everywhere , rare enough to be desirable and not lose your shirt on and invisible to non car nuts [once stickers are removed].
Extremely excited here at least .

For those that want visual drama next gt3 will be naturally aspirated and have a manual option .

Edited by wtdoom on Monday 29th February 13:37