RE: Fiat 124 Spider: Review

RE: Fiat 124 Spider: Review

Wednesday 8th June 2016

Fiat 124 Spider: Review

Fiat's past glories revisited, with a little help from Mazda



Done it already. You haven't even made it past the standfirst and the Fiat 124 Spider's shared MX-5 underpinnings are taking centre stage. Maybe we should take the lead from the press pack, which studiously avoids the platform origins underpinning this revival of a 50-year-old formula.

A successful rework?
A successful rework?
Take the pragmatic view though: if Fiat HAD gone to the trouble of developing its own rear-wheel drive roadster platform, fitted it with a 140hp 1.4-litre four-cylinder engine, six-speed manual gearbox and sold it for 20-ish grand, we'd all have been slavishly comparing its every last nut and bolt to the Mazda anyway. May as well spare us the bother, do the smart thing and buy in the basis for reviving one of the more successful products in its history.

Because the original Spider was a hit. Launched in 1965 it sold solidly before becoming a US-only model in 1975. When production of the by-then Pininfarina-branded Spider Azzurra (Spidereuropa this side of the pond) finally ended in 1985 they'd apparently shifted nearly 200,000 of them, three quarters of that total in the States. Four years later, and inspired by that same Stateside demand for dinky European roadsters, that damned Mazda appeared and anybody else's chances of cleaning up in the small sports car market were knackered.

So it's impossible to approach the 124 Spider without comparisons to the MX-5 first and foremost in your head. But there are key differences, emotionally and mechanically.

Split the difference
Styling-wise the Japanese have pushed ahead with a defiantly modernist interpretation of their winning formula. Fiat, meanwhile, makes no pretence and offers a checklist of styling features influenced by the original Spider. At first glance it has an air of 'retrofuturist' trend-setter J Mays' Ford Thunderbird revival of 2002. At second a hint of Mk2 MX-5. Yes, the blobby one. With known structural rust issues. What was that about reviving the spirit of 70s Italian roadsters?

124 carries extra 140mm and 50kg over MX-5
124 carries extra 140mm and 50kg over MX-5
In the metal and on the road the Fiat looks better than it does in pictures. The retro flourishes are, perhaps, a little heavy handed, but there are some neat touches and, although the wheelbase and track are the same as the Mazda, the 124 is nearly 140mm longer end to end. That this is in the overhangs doesn't do it any favours but the extra visual weight is enough to make it appear more of an SLC or Z4 rival. The interior layout is familiar but the materials and finish in our Lusso spec test car more than good enough to deliver on the feelgood factor and impressive given the price point. You'll find it a tight squeeze if you're much over six foot though, one legacy of the underpinnings Fiat couldn't do anything about.

Pricing is keen, starting at £19,495 for the Classica; Lusso spec as driven here adds leather, 17-inch wheels, the silver windscreen surround, a seven-inch screened infotainment and nav system and rear parking camera for £22,295. Spending another grand for Lusso Plus gets you LED lights and Bose speakers, including ones in the headrests.

Meanwhile the biggest difference influencing the driving experience is under the bonnet. The Skyactiv G 2.0 in the more powerful MX-5 is alloy-blocked, oversquare and has an unusually high compression ratio of 13:1. It doesn't take a genius to figure out it's an engine that needs revs to give its best, its 160hp matched with just 148lb ft of torque, delivered at 4,600rpm.

Softer than an MX-5, but that doesn't mean bad...
Softer than an MX-5, but that doesn't mean bad...
More of the same
There will be a 160hp version in some markets too but for this launch version the Fiat's iron-blocked 1.4 turbo has 140hp but a more muscular 177lb ft from just 2,250rpm. This alone should inform as much as anything about the differences between these two cars and will appeal to tastes as contrasting as those of the styling.

The Multiair engine sounds good, with a convincing snarl under power and the occasional turbo chuff when you're really pressing on. The power delivery is good too, the off-boost lethargy soon overcome and from there on a hearty mid-range making it feel respectably flexible compared with the more peaky Mazda. Inevitably throttle response isn't as crisp either, the Fiat engine having more inertia and steadier response. This suits the character of the car, the Spider more about mooching and enjoying the atmosphere than cornering on the door handles. In that sense it's very much the traditional European roadster that made the original such a hit.

Springs, dampers, anti-roll bars, steering calibration - all are unique to the Fiat and at town speeds it initially feels a little brittle, high-frequency bumps sending shudders through the body and making the bonnet wobble. A little disappointing in this day and age but things improve as speeds rise and on sweeping roads even bigger bumps are swallowed convincingly without any further shudders or wobbles. It's a relaxing car to drive and doesn't come apart when you start driving faster.

It's good! And the Abarth is coming...
It's good! And the Abarth is coming...
Easy does it
The softness that makes it such refined company does mean the front end can be a little vague and sudden direction changes can upset the grip levels; it's a lot better when you load it up steadily and don't spring any nasty surprises on the chassis. Nicely weighted and responsive steering, well-placed and weighted pedals and a short, positive manual shift are all conducive to putting a smile on your face, there being a hint of the rear-driven balance if you keep it tidy. Push harder and a scrabble or a squeal from the inside rear reveals the diff is open, unlike 2.0-litre MX-5s which get Torsen limited-slip units.

Overall it's simply not as taut or zingy as the Mazda. But that's no bad thing necessarily, Fiat clearly wanting to put some distance between the Spider and the car from which it takes so much. And when the Abarth version lands it'll have a product that decisively answers those questions, that car getting 170hp, 184lb ft and a locking diff as standard, not to mention a more aggressive look and sound. Forced induction obviously gives Fiat the chance to squeeze more power out of the car without too much effort.

An impressive opening act for the 124 Spider then. It's not a hairy chested sports car, but then nor was the original. It is, however, stylish, decent to drive and another affordable rear-wheel drive car at a price point dominated by front-driven superminis and their upwardly mobile derivatives.


FIAT 124 SPIDER
Engine:
1,368cc 4-cyl turbo (1,998cc, 4-cyl)
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 140@5,000 (160@6,000rpm)
Torque (lb ft): 177@2,250rpm (148@4,600rpm)
0-62mph: 7.5sec (7.3sec)
Top speed: 134mph (133mph)
Weight: 1,125kg with 75kg driver (1,075kg with 75kg driver)
MPG: 44.1 (40.9, both NEDC combined)
CO2: 148g/km (161g/km)
Price: £19,545 Classica, £22,295 Lusso, £23,295 Lusso Plus (MX-5 2.0 £20,495 SE-L, £21,095 SE-L Nav, £23,095 Sport, £23,695 Sport Nav)

(Figures in brackets for Mazda MX-5 2.0 for comparison)

 

 

 

 

Photos: Stan Papior

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Discussion

rog007

Original Poster:

5,759 posts

224 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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Generated zero reaction in me I'm afraid - bland would sum it up. Shame really.

Artey

757 posts

106 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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Much better looking than MX5

Vaud

50,467 posts

155 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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A reliable well built FIAT. Would be a tough call between that and the Mazda, though I suspect my wallet would say Mazda for resale values...

olliete

403 posts

111 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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Reminds me of a disproportionate XJS

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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Sounds like the Abarth version is going to be the only one of any real interest to someone looking to drive rather than mince about and pose.

deltashad

6,731 posts

197 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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Fiat soiled its pants again. Original was a work of art. Even the last Pininfarina volumex spiders with us spec bumpers were gorgeous. looks like some guy in a shed morphed a modern day 124 onto an MX5. I don't like MX5's.

j90gta

563 posts

134 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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Artey said:
Much better looking than MX5
Totally agree

stanglish

255 posts

113 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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j90gta said:
Totally agree
Totally disagree. This looks like it's trying to be something it is clearly not from the front, and designed on the cheap from the rear. The Mazda comes across as more genuine to me and the Fiat looks like it's trying to be the next step up from the 500. Each to their own though and justifies Fiat's decision because it'll bring in punters who wouldn't consider the Mazda based on brand/lack of 'retro' design.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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Like it a lot.

Let us be honest here - for 99% of the time a car like this is all the sports car you are every going to need.

PH driving gods will no doubt sneer, but in the real world you want a car that you can park outside, don't get too precious about it, nip to the next village to get some milk or go to the pub, put the roof down on the trip to work with all the other drones driving to work , but this time enjoying the air and having some fun. And all for 20k.

Some people here will no doubt sneer that the car is not focused enough and you should drive a Caterham to work. Well they are wrong, and they probably don't have a girlfriend.

For real world stuff, this is a sweet little car that fits its brief perfectly.

I'd have one. smile

deltashad

6,731 posts

197 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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toppstuff said:
Like it a lot.

Let us be honest here - for 99% of the time a car like this is all the sports car you are every going to need.

PH driving gods will no doubt sneer, but in the real world you want a car that you can park outside, don't get too precious about it, nip to the next village to get some milk or go to the pub, put the roof down on the trip to work with all the other drones driving to work , but this time enjoying the air and having some fun. And all for 20k.

Some people here will no doubt sneer that the car is not focused enough and you should drive a Caterham to work. Well they are wrong, and they probably don't have a girlfriend.

For real world stuff, this is a sweet little car that fits its brief perfectly.

I'd have one. smile
I have a girlfriend, she's above average. I drive a Lotus to work. This doesn't do anything for me. Quite the opposite.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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deltashad said:
I have a girlfriend, she's above average. I drive a Lotus to work. This doesn't do anything for me. Quite the opposite.
You are a total outlier dude. smile

deltashad

6,731 posts

197 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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lick

Daston

6,075 posts

203 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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I find the Fiat really awkward to look at, the front is quite square and yet the rear quarter is fairly curved. Much prefer the MX5 lines.

Pickled

2,051 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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olliete said:
Reminds me of a disproportionate XJS
Definitely something not right with the looks, like when you see someone with a face too big for their body.

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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toppstuff said:
Like it a lot.

Let us be honest here - for 99% of the time a car like this is all the sports car you are every going to need.

PH driving gods will no doubt sneer, but in the real world you want a car that you can park outside, don't get too precious about it, nip to the next village to get some milk or go to the pub, put the roof down on the trip to work with all the other drones driving to work , but this time enjoying the air and having some fun. And all for 20k.

Some people here will no doubt sneer that the car is not focused enough and you should drive a Caterham to work. Well they are wrong, and they probably don't have a girlfriend.

For real world stuff, this is a sweet little car that fits its brief perfectly.

I'd have one. smile
The MX5 fills that imo. In non-sport spec the suspension really is spot-on in the balance of comfort and handling without managing to get the body wobbling. That, and the styling is much better to my eye.

deltashad

6,731 posts

197 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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Proportions look to me a mockery of the original. Like a bad kit car.





alpha channel

1,387 posts

162 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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Well that's the best look I've seen it so far but I still not hugely keen on it frankly, very much prefer the MX5. I would've far preferred the Alfa concept over both though.

Blayney

2,948 posts

186 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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I'd like to see it without the DRL looking rings in the headlights. I think they spoilt it.

ChasW

2,135 posts

202 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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toppstuff said:
Like it a lot.

Let us be honest here - for 99% of the time a car like this is all the sports car you are every going to need.

PH driving gods will no doubt sneer, but in the real world you want a car that you can park outside, don't get too precious about it, nip to the next village to get some milk or go to the pub, put the roof down on the trip to work with all the other drones driving to work , but this time enjoying the air and having some fun. And all for 20k.

Some people here will no doubt sneer that the car is not focused enough and you should drive a Caterham to work. Well they are wrong, and they probably don't have a girlfriend.

For real world stuff, this is a sweet little car that fits its brief perfectly.

I'd have one. smile
Couldn't agree more. This is the essence of real world sports car motoring. Plenty will say it needs 200bhp etc to be credible - yawn, yawn....

I really like it.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

190 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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Reckon it might. E one of those cars that look better in person than in photos.

Interesting to see the "claimed" figures vs the 160hp version. Would love to see how they compare in head to head road tests.