RE: Drifting modes are pointless: Tell Me I'm Wrong

RE: Drifting modes are pointless: Tell Me I'm Wrong

Monday 7th November 2016

Drift modes are pointless: Tell Me I'm Wrong

Does the craze for computer-assisted drifting mean going sideways has finally jumped the shark?



With both Ford and now AMG offering officially endorsed tyre-smoking modes on road cars, has the whole sideways thing finally, um, drifted into parody? Really, what is the point? Even with a drift mode getting a car sideways carries significant risk of an expensive and embarrassing crash, it shreds your expensive tyres, if you do it on a track day you'll get sent home by the marshals and if you do it on the road you risk getting in very serious trouble indeed. 

Given my line of work and eagerness to burn the rubber in the name of a self-aggrandising hero shot I am, of course, being a massive hypocrite here. Especially given the opportunities to do this without fear of censure from any of the above. Well, other than making yourself look like a complete idiot when it goes wrong. 

I do wonder if we're clinging on to a bit of a relic from the past though. Look back through old car mags and you'll find a heroic lock-stops drift shot for even the most straight-laced road test of the latest hatchback or executive saloon. But back in the day it was also acceptable to drape bikini-clad models on cars and we now consider that a bit tragic. Will the same one day be said of the sideways video clip or cover shot? 

Expect more dramatic shots of this coming soon
Expect more dramatic shots of this coming soon
Rebel without a cause
Probably not. For all of the reasons above there's a rebellious thrill in getting a car sideways. The Man says you shouldn't. Tyre technology says you shouldn't. And the engineers have spent a lot of time and effort on trick suspension, traction control, electronic locking differentials, torque vectoring and any number of gadgets and gizmos to save you from yourself and channel the engine's power into forward rather than sideways motion. 

But, let's face it, cars still look cool when driven beyond the limit and in huge clouds of tyre smoke. 

Actually adding a calibration of the above to facilitate owners their own moment of sideways glory? This, I fear, is the moment it descends into farce. Because drifting for drifting's sake doesn't quite hold the same fascination as getting a car sideways - a subtle but important distinction. As a sport it has its followers but its appeal remains niche, as evidenced by the general lack of interest in the 1,400hp drift record GT-R we drove recently. 

Block's videos still pull in millions of YouTube views but translated from staged fantasy and into mass market product the Focus RS's Hoonigan-inspired setting faces a reality check. If it didn't have the promise of a drift mode you'd drive it on the road or on a circuit and simply enjoy its rather uncanny ability to rotate itself into a corner on the throttle. Believe it or not you can actually appreciate this sensation without creating clouds of tyre smoke and, at its best, the Focus RS is all we love in hot hatches with throttle adjustability in place of understeer. 

Can you mention RS without drift mode? Exactly
Can you mention RS without drift mode? Exactly
Ken from the Block
But in the back of your mind you know that Drift Mode is there. That Block-like showboating is but a button push away, if you're willing to look past the 'track only' disclaimers and have the balls to try it. Of course you're going to give it a go...  If you do this on the road you're an idiot. I know this because I am that idiot and tried it on the launch on a quiet, well-sighted roundabout in the middle of deserted Spanish industrial estate. And though it'll hold an angle it needs more speed and commitment than I'd be happy deploying anywhere else. 

And if you do it on the track you'll toast your tyres in minutes. Again, I know this because at our Anglesey track day I did perhaps two full-on Drift Mode passes out of the back hairpin. And after that the front tyres were shagged and all the Focus wanted to do was understeer. 

Genie out of the bottle, now we have AMG promising the same. This is a weird one too. For years AMG has mastered the art of making stupidly powerful rear-driven cars something Mercedes can sell alongside diesel C-Classes. And for those who really wanted to spend time on the lock stops there remained the 'need to know' option of a mechanical limited-slip diff. I had one on my C63 Edition 507 Edition long-termer and it remains one of the more oversteery road cars I've ever driven. I loved it. But the way it kicked in before the ESP meant you needed to be on your toes.  

Attitudes have changed swiftly at AMG...
Attitudes have changed swiftly at AMG...
Sensible Germans
The latest generation of AMGs are very different though. S versions of the C63 and GT have electronic locking diffs that work proactively with the stability and traction control systems. On driving both I was struck by how new-school AMG is all about getting the power down cleanly. Which is clearly faster and makes better use of the grunt, while making the cars more usable and more appealing to a broader audience. Such is progress. 

In LHD markets some AMGs have already been all-wheel drive for some time, the space taken up by the forward propshaft meaning we and other RHD markets kept our rear-driven cars. For the new E63 it's all-wheel drive for everyone. Unless you engage Drift Mode. 

Being that total hypocrite I can't wait to try it. 612hp through the rear wheels and someone else paying for the tyres sounds like a right hoot. But how many owners will actually try it? And, if they do, how many will actually be able to handle it? YouTube infamy awaits... 

Ferrari electronics good; not that good though
Ferrari electronics good; not that good though
Side-stepping the issue
Likewise the Ferrari 488 GTB. The Side Slip Control is drift mode by a slightly more enigmatic name. And like everything in modern Ferraris is a form of electronic fluffery intended to reassure fragile egos that, yes, you really are a driving god up to the task of taming a 670hp turbocharged Ferrari. Trouble is when you actually go it alone and turn everything off for real you very quickly realise that you're not. 

And that's my problem with a selectable drift mode. First of all it fools people into thinking it's easy, when it really isn't and shouldn't be. Secondly there's nothing like official endorsement or corporate sponsorship to kill the illicit thrill that made something naughty feel so life affirming. So if you really want to go sideways get an older RWD car with a limited-slip diff, some crap tyres and go fill your boots at a fraction of the speed, commitment and financial outlay. In a car like that Drift Mode is always on and you'll have a riot, quite probably under the radar of those who'd get upset about such things. Because if you need a special mode setting to do it you're probably in the wrong car to begin with. 

Tell me I'm wrong!

Focus RS drift video
 

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s2000db

Original Poster:

1,155 posts

153 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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No, you're right!

ikarl

3,730 posts

199 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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Absolutely right.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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Grade-A brochurewk.

See also... <long list>

generationx

6,731 posts

105 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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When I used a Sierra Cosworth as a daily, "drift mode" was controlled by the right foot - none of this computer-controlled nonsense. The same, to a lesser extent, in a series of Mk2 Escorts.

Does the new Giulia QV have this? I'm looking forward to finding out...

DanielSan

18,786 posts

167 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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If you want to drift there's plenty of relatively inexpensive ways to learn, it's a a skill not just something any muppet can do with a button or not, and lets face it a drift mode isn't even really drifting... Stupid mode there purely for Ken Block wannabe's, just the type who love a gimmick.

Buy a cheap rear driver and learn to do it properly.

Roger Irrelevant

2,931 posts

113 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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Not pointless at all - it gives the purchaser a crucial edge in pub/internet car Top Trumps; there's not much more important than that for the sales figures.

V8 FOU

2,973 posts

147 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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DanielSan said:
If you want to drift there's plenty of relatively inexpensive ways to learn, it's a a skill not just something any muppet can do with a button or not, and lets face it a drift mode isn't even really drifting... Stupid mode there purely for Ken Block wannabe's, just the type who love a gimmick.

Buy a cheap rear driver and learn to do it properly.
This


Modes / assistance are rubbish.

nickwilcock

1,522 posts

247 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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Agreed - stupid rubbish which simply increases the car's price.

I'm amazed that AMG have stooped to such childish nonsense.

J4CKO

41,530 posts

200 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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nickwilcock said:
Agreed - stupid rubbish which simply increases the car's price.

I'm amazed that AMG have stooped to such childish nonsense.
I cant imagine it does, it is just software changes to the stability control programme, I cant imagine it adds much, in anything to the price, not like the RS is exactly super expensive.

Its just a bit of fun, most will never use it, it generates interest, oh look, a thread about it !

To be honest, my view is, like the line loc on the Mustang, its all a bit "cool parent", Ford encouraging drifting and drag racing, its meant to feel naughty stuff like that.

Dave Hedgehog

14,549 posts

204 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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It's a bit of fun like launch control, and being software based costs the manufacturers very little to add

On Haldex type transverse 4wd system it's probably needed to overcome the limitation of the drive train to get the rear out

unpc

2,835 posts

213 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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I'd say that all modes are pointless. Just set the fecking car up properly in the first place. Modes are just a cop out.

MuscleSaloon

1,550 posts

175 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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Focus RS Drift Mode fails !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOelONV_unQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHx7iPNYVc

Edited by MuscleSaloon on Sunday 6th November 17:33

rallycross

12,790 posts

237 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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unpc said:
I'd say that all modes are pointless. Just set the fecking car up properly in the first place. Modes are just a cop out.
Agreed.
Also giving unskilled drivers a button that says drift mode and letting them lose on the road could have some nasty results.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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Yep, pure gimmick to sell cars.

downsman

1,099 posts

156 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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I agree, drift modes are pointless.

I don't like the way manufacturers have created vastly over powered/unstable cars that can only be driven safely by normal people when there are electronic safety nets. There must be plenty of people who imagine they are great drivers and aren't even aware that their car is regularly cutting power and braking wheels to keep them out of the scenery. If these people engage a drift mode, they are in for a very nasty shock.

If a good driver wants to have some fun oversteering, they are going to want the satisfaction of knowing that they are fully in (or out of biggrin ) control.
They won't want some artificial version of drifting, so as you say will be much better off with an analogue old style rear drive car.

paulwirral

3,132 posts

135 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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It's bks ,you still need a glimmer of car knowledge and driving skill , there's a vid somewhere of an American crashing a focus rs in drift mode somewhere on the interweb , on the most drift able corner in the world . I'm sure one of you guys can find it ?

JerryF

282 posts

174 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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What is pointless are these type of threads.

It's Dan's way of stimulating a rubbish discussion.

Sorry Pistonheads but you have lost your way.


GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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Perhaps some American cars should be fitted with an anti-drift mode ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B4SysDBRPc

Edited by GranCab on Monday 7th November 09:36

Darryl247W

564 posts

123 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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Agreed. Marketing gimmickry to fool the unskilled into believing there's a shortcut to carcraft.

Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

127 months

Sunday 6th November 2016
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I'm not one of 'those guys' and I appteciate all your journalistic efforts, but I cannot help but feel this has something to do with Honda.