RE: SEAT Leon Cupra 300: Review

RE: SEAT Leon Cupra 300: Review

Wednesday 15th February 2017

SEAT Leon Cupra 300: Review

More power, more choice and more money - is the updated hot Leon also more car?



Would you have one over a hot Golf? Such is the Leon's existential question, before attempting to make sense of the combination of go-faster parts the great MQB platform randomiser has dispatched to SEAT.


When the Cupra 280 launched the reasons for answering 'yes' would have value for money; stuff VW made you pay extra for like the fancy VAQ not-a-diff torque vectoring front axle, multi-mode dampers and the rest made a strong argument, topped off with a symbolic (given torque was the same) on-paper power advantage.

Against non-group rivals the Cupra reaped the benefits of VW's investment in the MQB platform, including a mult-link rear axle where rivals like the Honda Civic Type R, Megane Renaultsport and Peugeot 308 GTI made do with more basic twist beams. Chuck in the option of Brembo brakes, Cup tyres and other hardcore upgrades with the various Performance Packs and there was a pick'n'mix hot hatch of some quality.

Which is a long way of saying, yes, the Cupra looked a little underwhelming. But you were getting a pretty sweet deal.


Hola!
Since then things have got a lot more complicated. VW put SEAT back in its box and went Nordschleife glory hunting with the GTI, pushing the SEAT hard for hardcore cred. And all the while the Golf R sat atop, a small financial stretch away but with the extra power, the four-wheel drive and the 'faster than a GT-R in the real world AND I got a great finance deal' internet glory. Post facelift the Golfs have since gained fancier Audi-style 'virtual cockpit' dashboards and a bit more power, the GTI going to 230hp (245hp for GTI Performance) and 310hp for the R.

This is the response - 300hp from 290hp, Golf R equalling 280lb ft from the previous 258lb ft, tenths here and there off the 0-62 sprints depending on bodystyle and gearbox and all-new 4Drive version of the ST estate. Promising. But only if the pricing stacks up against that ruddy Golf. Before we get lost in the numbers let's see how it drives though.

Much like the old one, basically. There has been some fettling of the damper specs and general recalibration of the various controls, including shift maps for the DSG versions. Peak power comes 400rpm sooner and torque 100rpm later and it shares the Cupra 290's updated exhaust system but the character of the EA888 turbocharged 2.0-litre is fundamentally the same. Ditto the artificially 'enhanced' drone.

Also carried over is the slightly more raw and uncouth deployment of that firepower. Generously you'd say this suits SEAT's image as being the more 'emotional' end of the VW product portfolio. In the way of things these days you can pick from a host of settings for dampers, steering, 'diff' and the rest, Cupra mode giving you the Jordi Gene, 'ring lap approved settings while Individual lets you mix and match for a more nuanced approach.


Hop, skip, jump
Well, relatively. Because there's not much nuance in the way the Cupra puts its power to the road. As in other applications the engine spools up quickly and aggressively, asserting itself over the torque shuffling front axle in a variety of ways. Not all of them pretty. The lead-footed may enjoy the brutal nature with which the front tyres scrabble for traction and the lively to-and-fro as power switches from one side to the other. On wet or dry roads this often results in an unseemly fight and pretty violent axle tramp through the first three gears, lunges to one side of the road or other also part of the fun. If you think the looks and paint palette are (still) a little on the conservative side the power delivery most definitely isn't.

Arguably SEAT needs something to set itself apart from the more sensible German MQB products. And if you like things to 'feel' fast and exciting you can certainly get your kicks at the wheel of a Cupra - just don't expect a whole lot of appreciation from passengers or the outside world.

On a sodden track and wearing pre-worn Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres the Cupra is, frankly, a bit of a handful. Switching the ESC off completely does at least break up the fisticuffs between the front axle and the stability control, letting the torque distribution do its best to pull things back into line. But there's still a lot of wheelspin.

Short-shifting to utilise the meat of the mid-range and a more nuanced application of the throttle does make the performance a lot more usable. Here the manual is a definite advantage, the ability to assert yourself over the gear choices giving you more options on how to play the power delivery. And if you calm your inputs the chassis reveals sophistication and balance you'd hope for, given the multi-link rear axle and the advantages in wheel control and the rest over a regular twist beam. A greasy track and those worn Cup tyres reveal real balance and adjustability too, trailed brakes letting you swing the rear end around to the degree you need and get the front axle pointing where you need before unleashing hell. Which is a much more effective way of dealing with understeer than trying to claw your way out under power. It doesn't dance like a Megane and it doesn't have the locked down BTCC car composure of a Civic Type R but there's a sense of the Golf GTI Clubsport's friendly adjustability there and proof there's more to the Cupra than teeth jiggling axle tramp and lurid power understeer.


Feel the power
If you appreciate such subtleties the Performance Pack (not yet on the pricelist but coming soon) adds the serious looking Brembo brakes, different wheels and a choice of Black or Orange trim packages. It'll set you back £2,125 and £2,350 respectively, the Cup 2 tyre option an additional £600. The latter is worth it if you have ambitions of hitting the track while the Brembos add both bling and a much nicer brake pedal feel without the grabbiness of the standard set-up.

Would you have it over a hot Golf though? Image and brand snobbery are personal choices but it's hard to dispute the VW is a much, much nicer environment than the SEAT. The Leon may have much of the same kit but the design and finish seems deliberately downplayed. Which wouldn't be a problem were it not for the fact a basic three-door manual Golf GTI is nearly two grand cheaper than the equivalent Leon SC. Upgrading the VW to Performance spec and DCC dampers for a more direct comparison levels that playing field but, even like for like and with a 55hp power advantage, the SEAT is struggling.

Bottom line prices are, of course, of less concern given the way most people 'buy' their cars these days. And there is pace, character and substance in the Leon - plus a definite rawness - that will appeal to those who like their hot hatches properly hot. But even so SEAT's greatest asset - access to VW's kit and economies of scale - may also be its greatest weakness though, given comparisons to posher-badged relatives are never going to go well without a significant cost advantage or a decisive performance bung. Neither or which the Leon has, even in this uprated form.


What's the new Golf R chasing all-wheel drive ST estate like then? Read the full review here!


SEAT LEON SC CUPRA 300
Engine
: 1,984cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive (6-speed DSG optional)
Power (hp): 300@5,500-6,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 280@1,800-5,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.7sec (5.6sec)
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,375kg (1,395kg, both 'in running condition with driver')
MPG: 40.9 (42.2, NEDC combined)
CO2: 158g/km (153g/km)
Price: £29,840 (£31,230)
Figures in brackets for DSG version

SEAT LEON CUPRA 300 (5-door)
Engine
: 1,984cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive (6-speed DSG optional)
Power (hp): 300@5,500-6,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 280@1,800-5,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.8sec (5.7sec)
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,395kg (1,421kg, both 'in running condition with driver')
MPG: 40.9 (41.5, NEDC combined)
CO2: 158g/km (156g/km)
Price: £30,140 (£31,490)
Figures in brackets for DSG version

SEAT LEON ST CUPRA 300/ST CUPRA 4DRIVE DSG
Engine
: 1,984cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive (6-speed DSG/all-wheel drive optional)
Power (hp): 300@5,500-6,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 280@1,800-5,500rpm
0-62mph: 6.0sec (4.9sec)
Top speed: 155mph
Weight: 1,440kg (1,545kg, both 'in running condition with driver')
MPG: 40.4 (39.2, NEDC combined)
CO2: 161g/km (164g/km)
Price: £31,135 (£34,170)
Figures in brackets for DSG version

 

 

 

 

 

 

Author
Discussion

Nickp82

Original Poster:

3,183 posts

93 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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I love the new red colour on the Cupra, looks cracking. The wheel hop does scupper the fun a tad on the Cupra (Mine is a 290 Black) and has meant I am looking forward to the drier summer months more than normal so I can really test the cars handling but it is still a fun car to dart around in day to day.

Edited by Nickp82 on Wednesday 15th February 10:55

Itsallicanafford

2,770 posts

159 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Interestingly, the lightest version is just a shade over 500kg heavier than my 90's hot hatch and has 3 times the power..

In every measurable way the Seat is a better car...but is it more fun?

philmots

4,631 posts

260 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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I've got one coming, reason I went for it is because it was a cheap lease!

Wouldn't spend my own money on one, but it sounds like it's quite lairy, I'm looking forward to it.

Nickp82

Original Poster:

3,183 posts

93 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Itsallicanafford said:
Interestingly, the lightest version is just a shade over 500kg heavier than my 90's hot hatch and has 3 times the power..

In every measurable way the Seat is a better car...but is it more fun?
Please don't make me answer that, I'm not sure I can handle the truth!

tonyb1968

1,156 posts

146 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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I like the exterior design on this SEAT but the interior just looks so bland, you could say boring but it will be practical.

Still the race for power and fwd goes on, and with it the cost, so what does a decently equipped model cost? 36k+?

If you just want a decent car then you can find some great bargains out there without exceeding 20k (note Peugeot 308 GTI 250 and yes sub 20k for a new one!) otherwise its either this or a Civic type R if you want the most bhp/fwd competition.

GTEYE

2,096 posts

210 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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The outside looks great, it drives well...but...the interior might be decent enough quality but it just looks rubbish, and that's the bit you see every day.

And frankly, not good enough for £30k.

Its clearly a pecking order thing within VAG, and Seat are at the lower end of that order.

Edited by GTEYE on Wednesday 15th February 11:18

Billyray911

1,072 posts

204 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Looking forward to the ST review,to see how it fares against the R estate.Curious as to whether the facelift R estate is available yet, for a fairer comparison...

IanCress

4,409 posts

166 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Always loved the Cupra as a cut price Audi S3 or Golf R. Shame that these days the price advantage is dwindling.

Wasn't this a £25k car only a couple of years ago?

WCZ

10,525 posts

194 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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GTEYE said:
The outside looks great, it drives well...but...the interior might be decent enough quality but it just looks rubbish, and that's the bit you see every day.

And frankly, not good enough for £30k.

Its clearly a pecking order thing within VAG, and Seat are at the lower end of that order.

Edited by GTEYE on Wednesday 15th February 11:18
It's not *that* bad imo, I kind of see the cupra as a evo/subaru-esq value for money with a worse interior car

GTEYE

2,096 posts

210 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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WCZ said:
GTEYE said:
The outside looks great, it drives well...but...the interior might be decent enough quality but it just looks rubbish, and that's the bit you see every day.

And frankly, not good enough for £30k.

Its clearly a pecking order thing within VAG, and Seat are at the lower end of that order.

Edited by GTEYE on Wednesday 15th February 11:18
It's not *that* bad imo, I kind of see the cupra as a evo/subaru-esq value for money with a worse interior car
The only problem is it loses the value for money argument when it costs the same as say a Golf R....and probably more expensive actually when lease costs are factored in.

If it was cheaper, it wouldn't matter so much.

Begall

138 posts

91 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Like-for-like comparison on the brokers, you can get a manual 5dr M140i for £25.7K and a manual Leon SC for £23.6K. Sure, you need to add a few things to the BMW that you'll get in the SEAT (heated seats, parking sensors come to mind), but in terms of a hot hatch the BMW has to be a better bet with less depreciation to boot?

Mike1990

964 posts

131 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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They need to bring back the Yellow, Orange and Green colours, something that sounds out from the usual norm, used to love seeing the old Ibiza and Leon's in them colours.

D200

514 posts

147 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Itsallicanafford said:
Interestingly, the lightest version is just a shade over 500kg heavier than my 90's hot hatch and has 3 times the power..

In every measurable way the Seat is a better car...but is it more fun?
This would completely depend on what hot hatch you have?

I also suppose while these are termed as 'hot hatches' if comparing to a 90's hatch they are more comparable to stuff like an Escort Cosworth or Lancia Delta Integrale etc [being 4WD and Turbo and of similar kerb weights]

D.D

48 posts

87 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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might be just me but all I can see is an updated a1

Jonno02

2,246 posts

109 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Begall said:
Like-for-like comparison on the brokers, you can get a manual 5dr M140i for £25.7K and a manual Leon SC for £23.6K. Sure, you need to add a few things to the BMW that you'll get in the SEAT (heated seats, parking sensors come to mind), but in terms of a hot hatch the BMW has to be a better bet with less depreciation to boot?
For me, the only two things the M140i beats the cupra at are interior and the lovely noise. The dreaded boot squeak in the M135i/M140i would do my head in, as would the lack of standard equipment. But most of all, the god awful looks. It looks like a bloody shoe side on. And the wheels...oh god the wheels. Although the cupra 300 wheels aren't exactly nice either.

SEAT are losing their way with the cupra though. It's getting less aggressive, less shouty and more...VAG. Not. A. Good. Thing. I like a sleeper, but when sleeper crosses the line and becomes boring, it's a problem. Yawn.

stuart_83

1,010 posts

101 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Test drove a 280 a few months back, and although it drove really well, but the interior was dreadful - the seats and doors had some cheap nasty high-vis type material on them, and the dash felt pretty nasty ... it's actually what turned me off the car.

I preferred the interior of a Megane 275. It's definitely an area where they've really screwed up (in my opinion), and there's no reason for it really, not with the parts bin they've got available.

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Its funny that Dan states the manual 'box is the best choice to deploy the power, as I tried to find a manual Cupra estate end of last year/beginning of 2017 and the only one I could find was over 150 miles away and had the awful orange pack on - all the estates seemed to be DSG otherwise. But second hand and about a year old it was only £18k compared with the equivalent age and mileage Golf GTI being £21k+. It was an ex-SEAT UK press car so came with the up graded Nav and audio.

SEAT and Skoda seem to make the most sense when they don't directly complete with VW & Audi - the MK1 Fabia VRS, Leon Cupra ST or Skoda Octiva VRS estate. But when they complete directly such as the new all wheel drive Leon Cupra estate against the Golf R estate, the better quality and stronger residuals (assuming you buy new) offered by the VW justifies the additional grand or so you pay.



JMF894

5,503 posts

155 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Given how much car you can buy these days for not much cash you've REALLY got to want the kudos of a new motor to spend this kind of money imho.

I appreciate car design moves on in many areas but I just paid less than 6k for a Saab 9-5 Aero with 60K near mint, every conceivable factory option (everything works), poly bushed, B8s, Eibachs, Hirsch rims, 6 pot floating disk set up, spec clutch, stage 3+ hardware and Maptun software mapped up to 320bhp.

I know newer cars are better in some ways but the point I'm making is it sounds like my dated Saab puts its power down at least as well as this Leon, and I haven't got a lsd. Yet. I'm pretty sure the old bus will be more comfortable too.

I love these uber hatches but until they're into sub 10K I'm oot.


Chris-xhlcz

8 posts

87 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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After owning a 290 Black for around a month I have to say it's a fantastic car, a great balance between power and comfort, I have a manual and it's flawless and much more involving than the DSG, MPG is hovering around the 30 mark which for a car with 290BHP is pretty good,long runs hitting 36mpg.... lots of equipment and if I'm honest much nicer wheels than the new 300....I think the new bigger entertainment screen is a good call although with Apple CarPlay the current doesn't want for much....

The seats in the black are fantastic, engine note is much improved over the 280, I can imagine the 300 sounding even better....

For the right price I think the 300 is a good call (lots of deals out there already) and compared with a golf R equipment wise it's well specified....I'd probably wait for a few months and let the deals really kick in....It's always going to lose more than a Golf R but your getting more for the money in the first place....(in the spec sense)

Edited by Chris-xhlcz on Wednesday 15th February 13:21

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Wednesday 15th February 2017
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Chris-xhlcz said:
After owning a 290 Black for around a month I have to say it's a fantastic car, a great balance between power and comfort, I have a manual and it's flawless and much more involving than the DSG, MPG is hovering around the 30 mark which for a car with 290BHP is pretty good,long runs hitting 36mpg.... lots of equipment and if I'm honest much nicer wheels than the new 300....I think the new bigger entertainment screen is a good call although with Apple CarPlay the current doesn't want for much....
I beleive if you pay a SEAT dealer £200 for the privilege you can have Mirror Link (including Apple Car Play and Android Auto) added - more than it was as a factory option though. I thought about getting it added to my Leon FR Tech.